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    Default Wave of Suicides Related to Bullying

    A few weeks ...maybe a month or two ago...there was a thread here about an American girl who immigrated with her parents from Ireland who committed suicide after being bullied.

    Since then, I've also become aware of six or seven gay teens commiting suicide because of being bullied...there's an awareness meme going around Live Journal about it.

    Then there was a post here about the man who was arrested for yelling at some kids who had been bullying his young daughter relentlessly.

    Now I just saw this: Ohio's Mentor High School Under Scrutiny After Spate of Suicides

    Can someone tell me what the hell is going on? Why is our society so broken?

    This is part of the reason I don't want to teach. I don't want to be anywhere near the little monsters and their enabling parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    This is part of the reason I don't want to teach. I don't want to be anywhere near the little monsters and their enabling parents.
    Same here. Fuck that jazz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silently Honest View Post
    Same here. Fuck that jazz.

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    This is terribly sad.
    Apathy will not cure this plague.

    Two reasons kids get away with bullying is because: (1) like many other violent crimes, it is under reported, AND (2) the consequences for commiting acts of bullying are not commensurate with the damage inflicted on the kids that were bullied.

    Once a kid lets a bully pick on them, it is a downward spiral. The only way out is to (a) stand up to the bully, even if you get your ass kicked, (b) report them. In cases where older kids are picking on younger kids, the younger kid has no option but to report the bully. In situations where the size/strength of the pair is more level, then standing up to them is the preferred option. There is no easy way out.

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    Yeah. I would take my kids out of a school and find them a new one, long before they considered hanging themselves. I hope. I'm not blaming the parents.
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    I was just arguing in Vent about this- most people there at the time said that switching schools was a bad idea, but guys, really:

    "She used to sob to me in the morning that she did not want to go," says her mother, Janet. "And this is going to bring tears to my eyes. Because I made her go to school."
    There is no way that I could make a child who is sobbing and clearly miserable go ANYWHERE every day. If I were sobbing every day before I went to a job, I would fucking quit that job. Adults have that liberty, but for some reason we think kids need to be more stoic than we are.
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    I see this a lot with my brother and the kids I babysit...the problem is, they're the ones who end up getting in trouble when they stand up for themselves...it makes me SICK!

    For example, my brother was being taunted and pushed around on the bus last year in 8th grade by a couple of kids...he told them to stop, but then they started fighting, and out of self defense, my brother defended himself by punching one of the boys who was picking on him. Guess who got in trouble? My brother.
    Another time where this happened was in school, where there were three adult witnesses, in a cafeteria. Same thing. He shoved a kid in the wall that was picking on him, because he doesn't take that bullshit, but guess who got in trouble, even though the teachers supervising the cafeteria saw that he was being bullied? My brother.

    It's worse mentally on girls, it's a different spectrum of bullying that attacks from the inside.

    Schools need to deal with this differently, they can't punish those who stand up for themselves and let the bullies slide through. It teaches the wrong message.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I was just arguing in Vent about this- most people there at the time said that switching schools was a bad idea, but guys, really:



    There is no way that I could make a child who is sobbing and clearly miserable go ANYWHERE every day. If I were sobbing every day before I went to a job, I would fucking quit that job. Adults have that liberty, but for some reason we think kids need to be more stoic than we are.
    Haha, this reminds me of the time I forced my parents to send me somewhere else because I hated the school I was at...I don't know if I would hate the public high school...probably, but I knew I was completely miserable there, and I wasn't going to live with that, no matter what it took.

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    Mentor is near Cleveland. I'm surprised there isn't more dehumanization in that rotting city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I was just arguing in Vent about this- most people there at the time said that switching schools was a bad idea, but guys, really:

    There is no way that I could make a child who is sobbing and clearly miserable go ANYWHERE every day. If I were sobbing every day before I went to a job, I would fucking quit that job. Adults have that liberty, but for some reason we think kids need to be more stoic than we are.
    100% AGREED.

    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    I see this a lot with my brother and the kids I babysit...the problem is, they're the ones who end up getting in trouble when they stand up for themselves...it makes me SICK!
    Yes, this is another tragedy of school "discipline."

    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    For example, my brother was being taunted and pushed around on the bus last year in 8th grade by a couple of kids...he told them to stop, but then they started fighting, and out of self defense, my brother defended himself by punching one of the boys who was picking on him. Guess who got in trouble? My brother.

    Another time where this happened was in school, where there were three adult witnesses, in a cafeteria. Same thing. He shoved a kid in the wall that was picking on him, because he doesn't take that bullshit, but guess who got in trouble, even though the teachers supervising the cafeteria saw that he was being bullied? My brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    It's worse mentally on girls, it's a different spectrum of bullying that attacks from the inside.
    I'm sure its painful to both boys and girls, but in different ways.

    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    Schools need to deal with this differently, they can't punish those who stand up for themselves and let the bullies slide through. It teaches the wrong message.
    THIS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Mentor is near Cleveland. I'm surprised there isn't more dehumanization in that rotting city.
    How does it comapre to East St. Louis? When I lived in Ballwin, from 1987-1988, East St. Louis was the murder capital of the United States. Is Cleveland similarly afflicted with crime, Lateralus? I haven't been to the Mid-West in almost 20 years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    There is no way that I could make a child who is sobbing and clearly miserable go ANYWHERE every day. If I were sobbing every day before I went to a job, I would fucking quit that job. Adults have that liberty, but for some reason we think kids need to be more stoic than we are.
    Exactly.

    Society is broken, but it's unlikely to be fixed anytime soon. The best approach seems to be a pragmatic one.

    I think one good solution is to learn jiu-jitsu because it:

    • has a program specifically designed for kids to learn to defend themselves against bullies
    • teaches mental and verbal tactics to avoid needing to use the physical ones
    • instills confidence in physical conflicts when they become unavoidable
    • kicks and punches are replaced with locks and holds, making it less likely that the kid defending his/her self will be disciplined for "fighting"

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