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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    I think I did misinterpret your meaning. Here in America gay marriage and gay adoption are illegal in many states. You see a lot of people arguing these rights should not be afforded based on Biblical ideas (and paying special attention to this issue (in the amount of tens of millions of dollars) what is honestly a fairly tenuous call for man/woman marriage, since the Bible's only passage explicitly about homosexuality is about killing them, and is in a book of the Old Testament full of antiquated rules no Christian abides by today). These are the people I'm talking about and I think Dan Savage was referring to. Christians, in general, aren't always pushing these ideas. I personally know some who reject that part of American Christian dogma.

    As for what your point was more accurately: obviously, gays should also not get privileges other people do not have either. If they break the law and are overly lewd, yeah, they should be punished for it as any other person would. This is sort of an the opposite extreme of what I (and I think Savage) gets at: when any group lays claim to rights not available to other groups, and when they teach their children about these 'special rights', the result is going to be people who assume they are better or worse than others.

    And just as I believe this only applies to Christians who think that other groups deserve less or that they have rights others do not, so should only gays with a similar attitude be held accountable. Neither you nor Savage should make blanket statements about large and varied groups, as these also cause people to make judgments based on superficial aspects of character like creed or sexual orientation, and retrospectively, I don't think either of you intended to. However, both of you have gripes with certain subgroups within Christianity or the gay community, which is fine if justified. I found Dan Savage's reasoning sensible. If these people are breaking laws and expecting not to be punished, your gripe is also sensible.
    I am a true democrat. My gripe is with special interest ruling the majority. This is counter democratic. I believe in democracy. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" This is my political view. My personal views are more subjective and based on individuality, but I share the world with almost 7 billion other personal views.. Which is why my politics are based on the group, not the individual.

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    I can respect that and apologize for any misunderstanding or offense. Though slightly curious as to your views on tyranny of the majority, not necessarily because I disagree with what you say but just out of interest, I think this in an improper forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    I can respect that and apologize for any misunderstanding or offense. Though slightly curious as to your views on tyranny of the majority, not necessarily because I disagree with what you say but just out of interest, I think this in an improper forum.
    Well that is why we have laws.. but once the law is passed that protects the minority from being tyrannized the special treatment has to stop. which is my whole point. If special interest continues to rule once it's objectives have been gained.. Who is tyrannizing who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    I think that kids being bullied are just less capable of handling it.
    I think it also has to do with the policies in schools these days. If kids stand up to bullies, they're the ones who get in trouble. This essentially makes the kids being bullied helpless, and this can turn into suicide or homicide, as seen with school shootings and the like. A kid would not feel the need to bring a gun to school, shoot everyone and then shoot himself if he had been able to get into a fight with the bully with his own fists.
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