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    Reading this made my heart sink, not least of which because I can relate to alot of what these kids went through. It's really hard when you're literally stuck with the same little shits year after year, especially during your early years when your sense of yourself and the world at large are still in development. I was so glad to finally be done with school and be able to move on and actually live my life surrounded by people with a greater degree of maturity within them. I fail to understand why people get so nostalgic for high school.

    The family watched, she said, as the girls who had tormented Sladjana for months walked up to the casket - and laughed.

    "They were laughing at the way she looked," Suzana says, crying. "Even though she died."
    Oh I believe this, and it just disgusts me to no end. :steam:

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    I don't believe you can change the situation at all, I think despite all of our convenient advances in recent years and hordes of initiatives and good meaning interventions the net change and effect of bullying has in effect been exactly nothing. This is unfortunate, but I think it won't go away and there is no golden bullet to the problem.

    The only feasible way to deal with this problem is for the parents of the bullied children to deal with the schools in the most over handed and accountable methods possible. I've seen too many instances of parents seemingly unwilling to demand results from schools. Of course, no-one is going to fight a child's corner if the parents will not actively intervene decisively and frequently.

    There is no communally sponsored and derived approach to a problem that arises due to communal reasons. You require an individual demanding results to beat the problem decisively.

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    newsweek article on the issue of criminalising bullying

    http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/04/p...e-a-crime.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    For example, my brother was being taunted and pushed around on the bus last year in 8th grade by a couple of kids...he told them to stop, but then they started fighting, and out of self defense, my brother defended himself by punching one of the boys who was picking on him. Guess who got in trouble? My brother.
    Another time where this happened was in school, where there were three adult witnesses, in a cafeteria. Same thing. He shoved a kid in the wall that was picking on him, because he doesn't take that bullshit, but guess who got in trouble, even though the teachers supervising the cafeteria saw that he was being bullied? My brother.
    Who do you think the administrators were when they were growing up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    If I had been a member of that girl's family I would have physically attacked those people. I seriously don't know how anyone could restrain themselves from punching someone who laughed at a dead girl at her funeral.

    I've actually never punched someone in my entire life. But I can't fathom just letting something like that go.
    I had the same thought, but I still can't imagine even letting them in the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I don't believe you can change the situation at all, I think despite all of our convenient advances in recent years and hordes of initiatives and good meaning interventions the net change and effect of bullying has in effect been exactly nothing. This is unfortunate, but I think it won't go away and there is no golden bullet to the problem.

    The only feasible way to deal with this problem is for the parents of the bullied children to deal with the schools in the most over handed and accountable methods possible. I've seen too many instances of parents seemingly unwilling to demand results from schools. Of course, no-one is going to fight a child's corner if the parents will not actively intervene decisively and frequently.

    There is no communally sponsored and derived approach to a problem that arises due to communal reasons. You require an individual demanding results to beat the problem decisively.
    I think I agree with this. It's always been individual people who have made changes occur in situations like this -- the people who don't give up and make such a stench that the larger system has to take notice and change course.

    Typically the schools do the same things that people described earlier in the thread about parents dealing with crying kids: Ignore/Ride out the situation, hoping that it eventually goes away. And sometimes that does work... unless it's SO bad that it can't.

    Quote Originally Posted by PuddleRiver View Post
    According to the girl's sister, the girls who bullied her came to her funeral, then laughed at her in her coffin because she was to be buried in the dress that she'd planned to wear to the prom. It was all pink and sparkly. They thought that was funny. :steam:
    Honestly, I would have had their asses thrown out. Any public outcry would only be to their shame.
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    I wouldn't call Tyler Clementi's suicide a result of bullying, as the whole thing is being blown out of proportion.
    Quote Originally Posted by JAVO View Post
    I think one good solution is to learn jiu-jitsu because it:

    • has a program specifically designed for kids to learn to defend themselves against bullies
    • teaches mental and verbal tactics to avoid needing to use the physical ones
    • instills confidence in physical conflicts when they become unavoidable
    • kicks and punches are replaced with locks and holds, making it less likely that the kid defending his/her self will be disciplined for "fighting"
    This. Bullies are going nowhere and self-defense or even just the will to stand up for oneself is something that is almost guaranteed to work in all situations.

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    How will jiu-jitsu help a person in a verbal bullying situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    How will jiu-jitsu help a person in a verbal bullying situation?
    Martial arts don't just provide a means for physical defense. The confidence boost gained from knowing you are no longer helpless if things turn physical is often all that's needed for one to raise his or her voice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    How will jiu-jitsu help a person in a verbal bullying situation?
    Even though ass whoppings have worked wonders on people, there was a part where I clearly typed "or even just the will to stand up for oneself".

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