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    Quote Originally Posted by Trentham View Post
    The question of logistics with the local fire departments is pretty simple really - the county in question doesn't set aside tax money to fund a rural fire department, so residents outside city limits rely on the protection of the City of South Fulton fire department in exchange for the aforementioned $75 per year fee. The fee is basically a de facto tax paid in exchange for fire services, except that unlike a tax, it is voluntary.

    The City fire chief was within his rights to refuse service. I don't believe the insurance company would have much of a liability case against the department. I'm guessing they would hold the homeowner at fault for refusing to pay the fee. I also understand the precedent that would be set if they'd gone ahead and put out the fire - it would be a slap in the face of all the homeowners who had paid the $75. Ideally, the homeowner could have reimbursed the department for the full monetary cost to extinguish the fire, although this would seem unlikely.
    This, pretty much. I don't think enough attention has been paid to the fact that this guy does not live in South Fulton and that his own municipality has decided not to provide a fire department. I feel bad for the guy, but what he did is like deciding not to have homeowner's insurance. You take your chances. If the firemen had put out the fire, that would be a tacit message that you don't really have to pay the fee. I bet everyone will pay the fee next year.
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    The just thing to do would be to let it burn

    The logical thing to do would be to put it out

    What a strange predicament...

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    OR they can just make the $75 an actual tax next year.

    Lesson #1 of American Independence -- voluntary taxes are a shitty idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    OR they can just make the $75 an actual tax next year.

    Lesson #1 of American Independence -- voluntary taxes are a shitty idea.
    The problem is that the city of South Fulton has no right to assess tax on people who don't live in the city. That's why it has to be voluntary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    The problem is that the city of South Fulton has no right to assess tax on people who don't live in the city. That's why it has to be voluntary.
    One could expand the authority of that entity, but I imagine this would be more complicated and costly than keeping the current system in place. Freedom is a curse for those that lack wisdom but even the most foolish can see the merits of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    The problem is that the city of South Fulton has no right to assess tax on people who don't live in the city. That's why it has to be voluntary.
    Are they in the same county?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    I feel bad for the guy, but what he did is like deciding not to have homeowner's insurance.
    Precisely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Are they in the same county?
    Yes, but rural residents of the county are subject to a different governing body (Obion County) than residents of the individual cities (South Fulton, et al). South Fulton's fire department basically provides its fire service as a favor to nearby residents outside city limits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trentham View Post
    Yes, but rural residents of the county are subject to a different governing body (Obion County) than residents of the individual cities (South Fulton, et al). South Fulton's fire department basically provides its fire service as a favor to nearby residents outside city limits.
    Thanks for the civics lesson.
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    I get the whole "setting a precedent" thing, and I agree in principle, but it just seems like such a heartless thing to do to watch as someone's house burns down. What if someone had been trapped inside? What if a child had died as a result? Would the firefighters be able to live with themselves, knowing it was over $75? I wouldn't.

    I say, put out the fire, and then bill the guy for the expenses. You don't get to turn away an uninsured gunshot wound victim from the ER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    You don't get to turn away an uninsured gunshot wound victim from the ER.
    Exactly. This level of expectation is made for other public servants and I don't understand how a firefighter could think he/she is different. The fire even spread to the property of someone who did pay.

    The firefighters here just acted retarded, on a very basic level. A housefire is an EMERGENCY and lives and property can be lost. It is NOT the time to be getting butthurt about politics.

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