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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    I did. In other posts.
    No, you didn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Also, it's gibberish.
    That's a value judgment, too.

    EDIT: Actually, having thought it over a bit more: it's necessarily false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!


    Say it isn't so, you are a solipsist?

    That gives you reign to do anything to anyone, and granted, even though it is possible for anyone to force their will onto others, I, for one, am morally against it.

    Let me filter my thoughts....

    I can kill myself, but I would hope to not be *willfully* killed by another just to satisfy some sadistic ends to their means.

    I believe that all transactions between adults should be consensual, or voluntary.

    I do not want to be raped, or brutalized, and guess what, I will not rape or brutalize you or anyone else, either.

    You have full jurisdiction over your *self*, stay away from me, and my life, unless my life is directly putting your life in danger.

    Gah, a can of intellectual worm holes you opened.

    Grrrr.

    So, you a solipsist?

    You wouldn't be the first INTJ solipsist I've known/heard of...

    interesting...
    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    Addendum:

    If you are a peaceful solipsist, I guess your existence is potentially worthy.

    What a miserable thing to be, though.

    But, to each his own if it doesn't impede on others being their own beings.
    That made me laugh real hard. Is there, perchance, a definition of solipsism I am not aware of? Or are you using a wrong word?

    However, I am not a solipsist. I do not believe "that knowledge of anything outside one's own specific mind is unjustified".

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    Solipsism is not a single concept but instead refers to several worldviews whose common element is some form of denial of the existence of a universe independent from the mind of the agent.
    The bolded part is what I loathe, as a moral and sentient being, ugh, I view solipsists as megalomaniacal individuals who cannot understand the idea of ToM Theory of mind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I know that I exist, and that I am part of what exists, and that I affect what exists, but I also know that other things exist independently from/of me.

    Granted, if I do kill myself, I will *for myself* destroy *my perceived universe*, but when I am dead, the universe will continue to exist without me, as a conscious agent, my atomic parts, i.e. matter, and energy will be diffused and reused within it, and, without my consciousness.

    Solipsism is intellectually void, imo.

    Becoming a conscious agent was part and parcel of becoming aware of the objective existence of extrinsic variables, I am not the only thing that exists, far from, I am but a piece of the infinite puzzle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    However, I am not a solipsist. I do not believe "that knowledge of anything outside one's own specific mind is unjustified".
    Good, I knew I liked you, I would have been quite disappointed if you were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    I view solipsists as megalomaniacal individuals who cannot understand the idea of ToM Theory of mind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I think that is a little unfair. Not everyone who possesses a gun wants to shoot people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I think that is a little unfair. Not everyone who possesses a gun wants to shoot people.
    I agree, that's why I made my addendum.

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    I would be terrified if I came across an individual who told me they truly believed I was merely a product and projection of their mind.

    Hmm, if I were to come across a solipsist, and if I were to kill them, would this be wrong?

    *thinking*
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    I would be terrified if I came across an individual who told me they truly believed I was merely a product and projection of their mind.
    Cats see you in yellow and blue, you know? ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    Hmm, if I were to come across a solipsist, and if I were to kill them, would this be wrong?
    That depends entirely on the moral concept you believe in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    Agreed!!!

    I read it in my apartment in Boulder, Co, I would lose track of time and get all pruney in the bathtub, such a one of a kind HILARIOUS, and deliciously insightful book.

    My friend was reading it a few months back, he read me excerpts, ahhh, so funny.



    Was it Mirna the minx?

    And I remember the black dude, his name started with a J, if I recall, he knew what was up, he was kind of the voice of moral reason.
    ha ha yeah Myrna the Minx and Jones! (I own the book because it's definitely in my top five favorites)

    Sorry, read the book one year short of a decade ago.

    But, yeah, too good.

    I was also perturbed when I found out that David Foster Wallace offed himself.

    All these brilliant and creative and ridiculously insightful souls, gone by their own doing, I get it though, as much as I can say life is beautiful I can also say life is disgusting, futile and completely and utterly sucks.

    Yeah it's really sad when a person clearly has so much to give, and has such talent and still finds so very little value in their own life that they want to die.

    The irony of John Kennedy Toole's suicide is that A Confederacy of Dunces is comedy gold, and even has a happy ending. The proverbial sad clown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Incorrect.
    Values have no *inherent* value.
    If it had no value, then it would not be a value in the first place.

    Either you, or someone else had to have given it value before it became a value. Before it became a value, it was vaguely a 'thing'.

    Hence my correction "If nothing has value..."

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