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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Are you implying that improving the capacity to deliver sustenance to the human population is what we should not do?
    I'm implying two things:

    1) Improving the capacity to deliver sustenance to the human population should only be done in a way that honors and respects life and necessary earthly relationships.

    2) Science and technology are merely tools and severely limited ones at that. Simply because science enables people to do something doesn't mean it should be done.
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    You talk of honoring and respecting earthly relationships, and I say we exemplify this in our efforts to bring greater synergy and mutual benefits to any species that can fill a niche necessary for the betterment of our species. To not go ahead with this process would be a great miscalculation and border on negligence of both our species and those species that are mutually invested in harmonious sustainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    I'm implying two things:

    1) Improving the capacity to deliver sustenance to the human population should only be done in a way that honors and respects life and necessary earthly relationships.
    Completely vacuous statement.
    What's more "honorable" about catching fish from the ocean (thus having drastic effects on the natural population, BTW), than raising them in ponds?

    We are doing essentially the same thing we always have done; kill things and then eat them.
    That is, until we get to the point where we could clone specific cuts of meat rather than entire organisms, which would be even better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    2) Science and technology are merely tools and severely limited ones at that. Simply because science enables people to do something doesn't mean it should be done.
    Simply because something disagrees with your sensibilities about how things should "respect life and necessary earthly relationships" doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

    There's really nothing inherently different about selective breeding and genetic modification.
    The primitive banana had shitloads of seeds in it, was stringy and bland, and all around barely edible.
    Several lifetime's of human cultivation later, the modern banana is delicious, nutritious, and easy to eat.
    The only difference is that the latter is faster and more accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan.of.Townsend View Post
    There's really nothing inherently different about selective breeding and genetic modification.
    The primitive banana had shitloads of seeds in it, was stringy and bland, and all around barely inedible.
    Several lifetime's of human cultivation later, the modern banana is delicious, nutritious, and easy to eat.
    The only difference is that that latter is faster and more accurate.
    Not to mention that plant now has protection provided by one of the more powerful species on this planet. We will sequence it, remember it, we will store seeds, we will devote OUR resources to this organism, because we love it so much. The banana reigns fruit of fruits, proliferating across the world and filling our stomachs with delicious electrolytes and a relatively easily imitated flavor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Not to mention that plant now has protection provided by one of the more powerful species on this planet. We will sequence it, remember it, we will store seeds, we will devote OUR resources to this organism, because we love it so much. The banana reigns fruit of fruits, proliferating across the world and filling our stomachs with delicious electrolytes and a relatively easily imitated flavor.
    Also a good point. ^

    It's quite advantageous for a plant or animal to be useful for humans, in terms of natural selection.

    Apples, cattle, cannabis; all quite desired by humans, all quite omnipresent as a result. ;P
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