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    Quote Originally Posted by Langrenus View Post
    I must admit that the talk of MBTI-profiling political divides is interesting but seems slightly flawed - there are large numbers of people who score weak preferences (let us please remember that word, it seems to get lost a hell of lot around here) who would be less likely to be subject to the divisions that are being banded around.
    I agree entirely. The solid research on political preferences is done with FFM or similar, which is why MBTI correlations need to be taken with a large grain of salt...

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    Liberal and conservative ideas seem to both be SJ. Liberals are probably Feelers while conservatives are more likely Thinkers.

    Loyalists to any set political party, are also probably SJs

    As for some various parties themselves in terms of how they seem to operate:

    Democrat: ISFP

    Republican: ESTJ

    Libertarianism: ENTP

    Statism: ISTJ

    Communism: INTJ

    Nazism/Fascism/Totalitarianism: ENTJ

    Religious Conservatism: ESFJ

    Green: INFP

    Socialism: ENFP

    Anarchy: ENTP


    Needless to say, the less tolerant parties are Judgers.

    As for my political beliefs, I am probably a Libertarian. I don't agree with the ways conservatives look to religion and repress gay marriage and I also am against the extreme political correctness of liberalism.

    I also have a bend towards fascism, because I am not known for being accepting or trusting of other people, and honestly, I think that the idea of being in total control is appealing.

    What can I say? I always fancied playing God and living like a James Bond villain! :P

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    Nah, Uberfuhrer, you're an average run-of-the-mill Authoritarian Socialist.

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    I was raised conservative religious. The conservatism was reinforced in the military and I was a Regan-era Republican in my early 20's. Over time however, I became very mistrustful of the Republican regime and my Republican "superiors" in the military ... as they were repeatedly feeding me lies and BS ... and nothing ever changed for the better. It was always business as usual.

    I became more and more liberal over time, especially after I left the military. This is not to say that I trust the Democrats or their agenda either ... but I did begin to embrace some of the same principles. My stance for the past decade or so is what you could call Libertarian. I don't trust or particularly like either dominant party in American politics ... and I have a firm belief in personal freedoms. However, I also realize that this is a pipe dream.

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    Did anyone read this article today in yahoo! News?
    Political Preference is Half-Genetic

    Whether you prefer Rush Limbaugh or Keith Olbermann has to do with your genes and your psychology, according to a new study.

    People who are more conscientious and prefer order, structure and closure in their lives tend to be more conservative, whereas creative people who are open to new experiences tend to be more politically liberal, says John Jost, a psychologist at New York University who conducted an overview of previous studies involving a total of more than 22,000 participants from 12 countries.

    But that psychological profile only pulls half the weight when it comes to determining people's politics, his review showed. The other half is genetic, as is revealed in studies of twins and their political bent, Jost says.
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    Given our current political appetite, Jost next wanted to know whether liberals have different psychological traits than conservatives.

    His “meta-analysis” of previous studies, including his own, showed that liberals seem to be drawn to chaos and novelty—for instance, they tend to support social change—whereas conservatives prefer reassurance and structure, and thus like to maintain the status quo.

    Jost’s findings, detailed in American Psychologist, suggest that environmental factors, or the types of situations people encounter in their lives, determine approximately half of their political preferences.
    I've been seeing similar things informally for a few years. Cool, eh?

    Oh, and my parents and siblings are all conservative. I'm not.
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    Thread Necromancy.

    I have a weird set of political beliefs that can be summarized (poorly) as:
    socially liberal (including perhaps "radical" ideas about avoiding capital punishment, and avoiding war),
    but pro-life (mostly, don't really know where the early cut-off is, but I think going to fertilized egg is pushing things way too far),
    mostly free-maket (with a healthy dose of anti-trust, "fair-play" and cartel busting regulation),
    and anti-isolationist.

    I respect religious freedom, as long as those freedoms don't infringe upon others freedoms. I also dislike the indoctrination of superstition in the guise of "alternate science."

    Whether it is alternative medicine, intelligent design, or the controversy regarding Anthropogenic Global Warming, I believe that students in general science should learn the accepted scientific viewpoints, before going on to contrary views. I would not force people to teach this view, but science is science, and I would prefer that children learn what is currently accepted. Teaching the controversies before students are able to think and experiment clearly on their own, leads to a search for opinions that match their own, instead of the truth, in my opinion.

    I arrived at this set of beliefs through my own value judgments, experience, and reflection. I am not sure of my parents views, nor have I asked them. I suspect both parents are left of center, however. One thing my family seems to agree on is that we really dislike George W. Bush.

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    I was raised in a family that was not right-wing, but definitely had a strong ethic of self-reliance and personal responsibility. My parents were charitable types, but I could still see that, even though they valued kindness and helping other people, they believed people largely made their own heaven or hell. After years of independent questioning, I think they had it right. I would describe myself as a moderate both socially and fiscally. I do not think you can really separate both sides.

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    I grew up in a fairly liberal or progressive atmosphere. My dad is the typical liberal absent-minded professor and I take after him a lot.

    I went to a 70% black and latino school. I think that might make one more liberal..or if they didn't get along with the minorities; conservative.

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    From learning about Buddhism (optimism for change) and economics (cynicism of the present) in high school. From there, I was off on my own steam, but still consider myself quite ignorant.

    We studied Buddhism in year 7 (age 12 or 13). My dad has rarely seen me upset, but I went into a real tantrum asking why the whole world didn't adopt the values of Buddhism.

    My lofty ideals have paralyzed me ever since.
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    -What are you talking about?
    -Endymion, my dear. A beautiful youth possessed by the moon.
    -Well, forget about him and get to bed.
    -Yes, my dear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htb View Post
    There are libertarians who mean to be so scrupulous that their positions are doctrinaire and, in circumstances that would require moderation, often counteractive to classical liberalism.
    It's funny you should say that. In many libertarian circles, Reason and CATO (which are often at odds, although they have a ton of crossover) are considered too moderate and too likely to hedge on some important issues. CATO is seen as too cozy with the Washington elite, especially certain GOP politicians and lobbyists (and they have been soft on civil liberties post-9/11), and Reason is considered "cosmotarian" lifestyle libertarianism, totally focused on legalizing weed and making fun of Bush, environmentalists, and everyone uptight. There are organizations like the Future of Freedom Foundation and the Ludwig von Mises Institute they are far more radical and paleolibertarian.
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