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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Either way, it is more than possible to think their way out of rightism the right is every bit as "feely" in terms of ethnocentric bias and social order views. The right tough guy persona is the same as the left touchy feely persona and both appeal to the same level of instinct in people.
    One big question is: do one's politics come entirely from the hindbrain, or did the forebrain lend a hand? I don't think it's possible for anyone to entirely separate their hindbrain from their politics, so it's a good thing to understand how your political hindbrain is driving you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.Woolf View Post
    One big question is: do one's politics come entirely from the hindbrain, or did the forebrain lend a hand? I don't think it's possible for anyone to entirely separate their hindbrain from their politics, so it's a good thing to understand how your political hindbrain is driving you.
    It's pretty much impossible. There are political biases even if you use MBTI, like libertarianism and NT - even if they belong to a particular party, they tend to have the libertarian bent. In a similar way, S(J)s are shown to be right conservative, just as Ns tend to be liberal. There are themes and interactions scattered throughout, but it's hard to express easily in a 2 party system like America's... but the dominant trend will be that N(P)s will be democrats and S(J)s will be republican (the () brackets denote weak links since this is based upon FFM). In a multi-party system, where polarisation hasn't happened to the same degree, the J-P is more along the lines of authoritarianism while S-N is based more upon conversative views. F-T has more to do with liberal/independent social views... From memory, so forgive any lapse.

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    ENFJ mother = left wing
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    I ended up in the middle with a small preference to the right. However, I think a moderate right wing US voter equals a rather extreme right wing Danish voter. So, in the US I'd probably still be in the middle with a small preference to the left.

    I live in a social democratic wellfare society and compared to many other models I've experienced or read about, I think it works rather well. Many Danish company owners are frustrated about the high taxes and moderation from the state but I'm actually fine with most of it. I like to know that I can let an employee go and know that the person will be taken care of and wohn't end up on the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    usually people feel their way out of rightism
    And people with intelligence tend to think their way out of leftism, particularly as they get older.

    But some of us reject the usual and just go with what makes the most sense. To me, the most logical solution is for the government to respect the citizens and do what it's designed to do, rather than what dirty Abe made it into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.Woolf View Post
    One big question is: do one's politics come entirely from the hindbrain, or did the forebrain lend a hand? I don't think it's possible for anyone to entirely separate their hindbrain from their politics, so it's a good thing to understand how your political hindbrain is driving you.
    I'd guess on average it's attitudes growing up, and attitudes of friends/other nearby people that have the biggest effect, than probably the back of the brain, than probably the front. A lot of political views seem to involve instant decision making and gut feelings on an issue, which means the back of the mind has more influence. The "attitudes growing up/attitudes of friends" seems the biggest mainly from seeing people in action , though my guess is that it is similar to other effects of social groups on people.

    It does seem that how people drift politically, and the small details of their views, say more about the person than their actual position at one time, since the actual position will be heavily influenced by where they grew up.

    Either way, it is more than possible to think their way out of rightism the right is every bit as "feely" in terms of ethnocentric bias and social order views. The right tough guy persona is the same as the left touchy feely persona and both appeal to the same level of instinct in people.
    My favorite example of this was reading a book about presidents, and seeing which parties different actors chose. Almost without fail, the tough guy ones pick republican, the other ones go democrat. (This would be for U.S. elections.)

    t's pretty much impossible. There are political biases even if you use MBTI, like libertarianism and NT - even if they belong to a particular party, they tend to have the libertarian bent. In a similar way, S(J)s are shown to be right conservative, just as Ns tend to be liberal. There are themes and interactions scattered throughout, but it's hard to express easily in a 2 party system like America's... but the dominant trend will be that N(P)s will be democrats and S(J)s will be republican (the () brackets denote weak links since this is based upon FFM). In a multi-party system, where polarisation hasn't happened to the same degree, the J-P is more along the lines of authoritarianism while S-N is based more upon conversative views. F-T has more to do with liberal/independent social views... From memory, so forgive any lapse.
    Where does this information come from?

    From the descriptions and what I see day to day, I'd expect SJ types to be more likely to more fully support the main poilitical ideas they have where they live, less likely to suport oddball or less popular ones, and less likely to generally agree but with differences with the main ones. SP types I'd expect to see support more randomly, and more likely to support based on the gut feelings described earlier.

    NT and NF I don't really know, I haven't seen mnay people outside these forums that would classify that way, and so don't have a good wya to compare them in particular to how people in general seem to act.

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    My father would be pretty much clear right wing (he's ISTJ) and my mother clear left wing (she's ENFP). I guess I inherited from my father's way of thinking about the market and my mother's values. This predisposed me to being a libertarian. Later, reading philosophy and adopting an agnostic standpoint fortified my libertarian stance. Essentially, I believe that everyone should have the right to do whatever they want as long as everyone is capable of agreeing and is happy about it. I'm for the least amount of control from the state in all areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zergling View Post
    Where does this information come from?
    That was from memory taken from a few different sources. I've added some links below in case you are curious.

    From the descriptions and what I see day to day, I'd expect SJ types to be more likely to more fully support the main poilitical ideas they have where they live, less likely to suport oddball or less popular ones, and less likely to generally agree but with differences with the main ones.
    You are correct... the SJ side is very ethnocentric, with a bias towards traditional values (the two go hand in hand, which also follows logically. That makes them have a moderately strong conservative bias.)

    It's similar to how NP is the best correlated with openness, which results in a more liberal bias. MBTI has only weak political research at best, so a lot of gap filling from other systems is done... Not exactly the most accurate way to do things - but the N-S is strongly correlated while J-P is somewhere between weak and moderately correlated... so the N-S should apply nearly all the time.

    SP types I'd expect to see support more randomly, and more likely to support based on the gut feelings described earlier.
    The S and N divide is also along the degree of openess - liberals tend to be more open to alternative views while conservatives, by defintion, want to preserve past institutions. You can see the correlation to the liberal/conservative here (Google HTML, to see the charts properly - PDF, click the link at the top).

    NT and NF I don't really know, I haven't seen mnay people outside these forums that would classify that way, and so don't have a good wya to compare them in particular to how people in general seem to act.
    I did make a mistake in the above... Social dominance is a T/F trait, and it is also T/F that determines authoritarianism. J/P had to do with social hierarchies, not authoritarism. To see a whole slew of information on these kinds of topics, here is a good place. I'm sure I'm digging a bigger hole trying to remember what I read years ago, so I'll leave those to let people decide for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    You are correct... the SJ side is very ethnocentric, with a bias towards traditional values (the two go hand in hand, which also follows logically. That makes them have a moderately strong conservative bias.)
    I think there was a ,iscommunication somewhere. SJ I'd expect to be more likely to follow the major political ideas to the letter, so in the U.S., for instance, I'd expect SJ's to trend more to the main "conservative" and "liberal" ideas, instead of green, libertarian, etc. I'd also expect less of stuff like "I'm mainly liberal, but don't support abortion and don't support utility regulation" type of stuff. (This is based on the people I see around me, family members and people in schools, who follow a mix of the different political views.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    And people with intelligence tend to think their way out of leftism, particularly as they get older.
    How does the old saying go...if you're not a socialist in your 20's you have no heart, if you're still a socialist in your 30's you have no head

    I must admit that the talk of MBTI-profiling political divides is interesting but seems slightly flawed - there are large numbers of people who score weak preferences (let us please remember that word, it seems to get lost a hell of lot around here) who would be less likely to be subject to the divisions that are being banded around.

    I also believe that nurture has an much stronger role overall - over here the greatest figures in the Labour party (historically at least, since Blair is not what I would consider a socialist) have, by and large, emerged from deprived and/or strongly working class areas. Their psychological profiles were broadly irrelevant - what mattered to them were the experiences they had been subjected to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zergling View Post
    I think there was a ,iscommunication somewhere. SJ I'd expect to be more likely to follow the major political ideas to the letter, so in the U.S., for instance, I'd expect SJ's to trend more to the main "conservative" and "liberal" ideas, instead of green, libertarian, etc. I'd also expect less of stuff like "I'm mainly liberal, but don't support abortion and don't support utility regulation" type of stuff. (This is based on the people I see around me, family members and people in schools, who follow a mix of the different political views.)
    Ah! Sorry, I'm referring to two different things I guess...

    1) Ss are more likely to be conservative (by definition, not the US version of authoritarian republicans).

    2) Ss are more likely to be ethno-centric, in that they will tend to pick and remain with views that are closer to their environment.

    Put together, there is a bias towards protecting any institution, but even more of a bias towards protecting local institutions that they deem important. This is denoted in a lack of openness (social conservatism)... For example, to religious changes (ie: the length of time the institution has existed and it's chapter-based expansion makes it a prime candidate)

    (SJs were tend to be even stronger than just Ss in this case, but it's the S that would be the major factor)

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