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    Default Errm what about freedom of speech?

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    Something something not a citizen something something. But I can totally see Obama hearing about this and apologizing to this kid for such rash actions by the FBI.

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    Where is his freedom to speak restricted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    Where is his freedom to speak restricted?
    By that logic, putting people in jail wouldn't restrict their ability to speak either. If the public is taught that expressing certain opinions will have a drastic effect on their civic freedom, you can expect that people won't be expressing those opinions readily, the so called "chilling effect" on speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    By that logic, putting people in jail wouldn't restrict their ability to speak either.
    By what logic?

    If the public is taught that expressing certain opinions will have a drastic effect on their civic freedom, you can expect that people won't be expressing those opinions readily, the so called "chilling effect" on speech.
    The public is not taught this already?
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    Freedom of Speech is more or less a government privlege at times, where you can say want you want until you say something offensive concerning the government your punished for excersing your right to say want you want. Honestly it disgusts me to no end when governments abuse their power over trivial insults that only a child would become angry over; in no way shape or form should that teen be banned from the U.S., it is a cruel and authoritarian like punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    By what logic?



    The public is not taught this already?
    Faulty logic.

    I hate this sort of shrill, screaming freedom of speech talk, its not really about freedom, its about trying to suspend or abolish consequences and will indeed appeal the most to the age group which has yet to develop consequential thinking.

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    The government always has, and always will be, arbitrary and wishy-washy on their opinion on the freedom of speech. The various supreme court cases that directly conflict one another on this matter will probably never be solved.

    But like the post above described, the freedom of speech is in the constitution only because people should be able to express themselves in America without punishment or the fear of retaliation. That's the entire point of it being there.

    I get what the other post was implying though. Freedom of speech isn't a catch-all thing. You cannot display racism and hate in the workplace, whether you harbor these things or not. You cannot call a bomb threat or a fire threat in a theater full of people. It's a difficult thing to balance the right to speak with other people's rights to exist and be in America as well, so outside of extreme situations like the ones posted above, it's gray and foggy what the government's stance is. There's just too many variables.

    As far as the OP itself.. A lot of people have said worse, over the internet, on the television, and in person, about the president. People are very open about this disapproval of him, and the range of insults is wide. To ban everyone that insults the president.... I think the boy is within his rights as to the policies of our country, absolutely and without a doubt. This article made me want to email the president out of curiosity to see if I, too, would be permanently banned from America for calling him a prick.

    To even think "well he's not a citizen.." is a dangerous road. Why even honor the Geneva convention then? None of those other country people are Americans, so why bother giving them the basic rights we are promised? It's a ridiculous mentality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Brain View Post
    Freedom of Speech is more or less a government privlege at times, where you can say want you want until you say something offensive concerning the government your punished for excersing your right to say want you want. Honestly it disgusts me to no end when governments abuse their power over trivial insults that only a child would become angry over; in no way shape or form should that teen be banned from the U.S., it is a cruel and authoritarian like punishment.
    You are kidding me!

    Listen, if someone was e-mailing me obscene images I would consider a non-molestation order or exclusion order, in the US you might call it a restraining order and I see this as being just the equivalent of that action.

    I think that it could be a very good lesson that speech may be free but still not without consequences, his freedom of speech is totally uneffected, he is not being prevented from exercising it but if he does he can expect it to have consequences and it has.

    This really shouldnt be difficult, it shouldnt be the stuff of politics either, it should be rudimentary parenting, perhaps manners at the very most but its not a freedom of speech issue.

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