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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    Your assumption is that more lives are worth more than less lives, which is not necessarily the case.

    Also, if you think that 3-4 billion people is "too many", shouldn't you be doing cartwheels the more people die?

    In which case, what the hell?
    they are using less of the natural resources and consuming about the amounts that everyone should consume, thats why its a bigger tragedy, even if the numbers were the same..

    how do you judge what lives are worth more than others? based on a country that they live in?

    imo life that consumes less is worth more than a life that consumes more
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I do. He said "therefore killing americans is a good thing for everyone in the long run."

    Like, yeah, all Americans are the same. If any random American dies, that's good for the world? Really? I don't think he also took into account the janitors and other working class people (like the firemen who came to rescue victims) when he made the sweeping generalization that the "kind of people" who died at the WTC use more resources than everyone else and don't live modestly.

    It's a pretty sickening attitude to have, and it's really not objective. I think I'm being more logical than he is.
    those normal working class american people consume way too much also. its sad that you dont know this kind of facts and your logic fails because of that and leads you to think that im a bad person, especially when im thinking about the big picture(people not destroying this planet and causing alot more misery and death while doing that for a long long time for everyone) and the common good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    those normal working class american people consume way too much also. its sad that you dont know this kind of facts and your logic fails because of that and leads you to think that im a bad person, especially when im thinking about the big picture(people not destroying this planet and causing alot more misery and death while doing that for a long long time for everyone) and the common good.
    You know, if you really want to kill off people, there are better ways to do it than by blowing up large buildings.

    You could start by ending suicide prevention programs, for example.

    You could also refuse fertility treatments for infertile couples.

    If the problem is Americans, you can stop adoption into the United States and stop people immigrating into the United States, and encourage emigration from the United States By disallowing these people from becoming Americans and encouraging people to stop being Americans, the reproduction of Americans will dip below the replacement rate, thus killing us off slowly like the Russians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    You know, if you really want to kill off people, there are better ways to do it than by blowing up large buildings.

    You could start by ending suicide prevention programs, for example.

    You could also refuse fertility treatments for infertile couples.

    If the problem is Americans, you can stop adoption into the United States and stop people immigrating into the United States, and encourage emigration from the United States By disallowing these people from becoming Americans and encouraging people to stop being Americans, the reproduction of Americans will dip below the replacement rate, thus killing us off slowly like the Russians.
    i dont want to kill people, even tho i think that many people need to die in order for atleast some people(and animals) to survive.

    americans arent the problem, but they are a part(pretty big one, but not the only big part) of this problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    i dont want to kill people, even tho i think that many people need to die in order for atleast some people(and animals) to survive.

    americans arent the problem, but they are a part(pretty big one, but not the only big part) of this problem.
    This way you are not killing people, merely preventing people from being born, allowing people who want to voluntarily remove themselves from the population do so easily, and prevent people from becoming a part of the problem. many adoptions in the United States are from poorer countries that do not use as much energy per person -- Russia, China, Ukraine, and probably now Haiti. By leaving these children orphaned in their home countries it would reduce energy expenditures of Americans, because they would never grow up to be Americans.

    Considering that genocide can often prompt a population to reproduce more, this seems like the best solution, instead of resorting to nuclear/chemical warfare that could kill a whole bunch of people and leave many more infertile, but then you'd just be hurting the environment too, wouldn't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    This way you are not killing people, merely preventing people from being born, allowing people who want to voluntarily remove themselves from the population do so easily, and prevent people from becoming a part of the problem. many adoptions in the United States are from poorer countries that do not use as much energy per person -- Russia, China, Ukraine, and probably now Haiti. By leaving these children orphaned in their home countries it would reduce energy expenditures of Americans, because they would never grow up to be Americans.

    Considering that genocide can often prompt a population to reproduce more, this seems like the best solution, instead of resorting to nuclear/chemical warfare that could kill a whole bunch of people and leave many more infertile, but then you'd just be hurting the environment too, wouldn't you?
    the reality is that cutting out people in the right way is not going to happen, but that strike at wtc how ever did happen and it did the job.
    letting people live a bad life is worse than ending peoples lives tho because only ones that suffer from people dying are people close to them having grief, but when you remove possibility for someone to live a better life, you are basically ruining their lives.

    this is pretty sticky subject and with subjects like this i dont think there is any room for feelings or it wont ever get any better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    americans arent the problem, but they are a part(pretty big one, but not the only big part) of this problem.
    Americans are a major player on this world and as it is with games, the bystanders always now the rules better than the rest.

    You shouldnt go down the road you are going down that doesnt help anyone.

    You shall voice critic and use it in the good way to make progress from it, you shall argue with people about your opinion, have heavy word fights to reach a better goal in the end.

    But not in the light of an emotional thing like 9/11. That comes off as the only way to voice your opinion, cause people are more bow-taut here and more easily notice your opinion at all.
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    people who say death doesn't matter has never lost anyone they care about. lose a family member you love lose anyone you care for and come back to me and say death does not matter.

    also it changed the world and was a catalysts for different things that happened this decade, that's another reason why it's a tragedy. without sept 11th majority of the world wouldn't hate muslims, we probably wouldn't have gone to war in the middle east. so to say this event doesn't matter just because the deaths are less then other events is fucking retarded.

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    Deaths of Boston Massacre (catalyst for American Revolutionary War): 5 civilians

    Deaths on USS Maine (catalyst for Spanish American War): 266 sailors

    Deaths on RMS Lusitania (catalyst for United States entering WWI) 1,198 (128 American civilians)

    Deaths in bombing of Pearl Harbor: 2,402 personnel deaths, (1,282 injuries)

    Deaths from WTC bombings: 2,752 civilian deaths, (injuries estimated at over 6,000, including debris inhalation)

    I just want everyone to look at those for a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Deaths of Boston Massacre (catalyst for American Revolutionary War): 5 civilians

    Deaths on USS Maine (catalyst for Spanish American War): 266 sailors

    Deaths on RMS Lusitania (catalyst for United States entering WWI) 1,198 (128 American civilians)

    Deaths in bombing of Pearl Harbor: 2,402 personnel deaths, (1,282 injuries)

    Deaths from WTC bombings: 2,752 civilian deaths, (injuries estimated at over 6,000, including debris inhalation)

    I just want everyone to look at those for a minute.
    +97,767 – 106,703 civilians in iraq after usa attacked there
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