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    There can be parallels between people who believe that overpopulation is or will shortly be an issue of major concern and fascist dictatorships. They aren't necessarily compatible or incompatible, depends on specifics. Some people think that education is enough to help prevent/lessen the effects of overpopulation while others feel it's the duty of the State to step in. Whether or not you are "facist" about it depends on what perspective you're seeing this issue from.

    I see it from a libertarian perspective, so I don't think government should be too involved in it. Obviously China has been successful at keeping their population down with forced abortions, and at least they're fair about it, but I don't think that's the "right" way to do it. I don't think you can deny that overpopulation is a currently a problem if you look at the most important stats(population, food production/distribution, quality of life, etc).

    I knew a guy once who took the Earths total land area and divided it by the population(which was a little more than 6 billion at the time) to "prove" that every individual on the planet, if land were evenly divided, would own about 1 square mile and, therefore, overpopulation is nonexistent.

    I don't think he took into account vital ecosystems which are necessary for the health of the planet. I think he also forgot about how much land is desert, frozen solid or otherwise unsuitable to sustain human life. If he had taken into consideration how much arable land we have, he would've come up with a number closer to 7 square yards....which isn't even room for a small house.... Obviously that only works if everyone becomes subsistence farmers but you probably catch my drift.

    Either way, overpopulation is a problem or misappropriation of land and other resources is. We could over simplify it and present it as an ultimatum - Facism or Socialism, or we could start using a greater percentage of our wealth on developing extraterrestrial living environments. Considering how incompatible the social systems of the 19th century are with our present state of existence we would be regressing if we continue attempting to apply them. Yet another option is to deny that an increasing population is detrimental to the planet and it's inhabitants and continue living like you are now. There is definitely a chance that overpopulation won't personally affect you in your lifetime. I think the best option, even if you deny that overpopulation is an issue(consider it gift to your 40 great-grandchildren) is to get(as many people as possible) off of this planet and on to the next one asap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparrow View Post
    Humans have spread like cancer and we are raping the earth of its resources. The solution I gave was just my OPINION, sue me. Go have fun having all your damn kids buddy.
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    ^ Sorry for being bitchy . No thanks I dont want to come along, we could do coffee though, Im in the 206 too .
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGERdeMAIN View Post
    There can be parallels between people who believe that overpopulation is or will shortly be an issue of major concern and fascist dictatorships. They aren't necessarily compatible or incompatible, depends on specifics. Some people think that education is enough to help prevent/lessen the effects of overpopulation while others feel it's the duty of the State to step in. Whether or not you are "facist" about it depends on what perspective you're seeing this issue from.

    I see it from a libertarian perspective, so I don't think government should be too involved in it. Obviously China has been successful at keeping their population down with forced abortions, and at least they're fair about it, but I don't think that's the "right" way to do it. I don't think you can deny that overpopulation is a currently a problem if you look at the most important stats(population, food production/distribution, quality of life, etc).

    I knew a guy once who took the Earths total land area and divided it by the population(which was a little more than 6 billion at the time) to "prove" that every individual on the planet, if land were evenly divided, would own about 1 square mile and, therefore, overpopulation is nonexistent.

    I don't think he took into account vital ecosystems which are necessary for the health of the planet. I think he also forgot about how much land is desert, frozen solid or otherwise unsuitable to sustain human life. If he had taken into consideration how much arable land we have, he would've come up with a number closer to 7 square yards....which isn't even room for a small house.... Obviously that only works if everyone becomes subsistence farmers but you probably catch my drift.

    Either way, overpopulation is a problem or misappropriation of land and other resources is. We could over simplify it and present it as an ultimatum - Facism or Socialism, or we could start using a greater percentage of our wealth on developing extraterrestrial living environments. Considering how incompatible the social systems of the 19th century are with our present state of existence we would be regressing if we continue attempting to apply them. Yet another option is to deny that an increasing population is detrimental to the planet and it's inhabitants and continue living like you are now. There is definitely a chance that overpopulation won't personally affect you in your lifetime. I think the best option, even if you deny that overpopulation is an issue(consider it gift to your 40 great-grandchildren) is to get(as many people as possible) off of this planet and on to the next one asap.
    Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparrow View Post
    Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Does anyone else not see the parallels of this intense environmentalism and fascism? Or am I just invoking Godwin's law?
    Clearly a lot of people do. And here's the shortcut: Intense [social or political notion] will have parallels to or possibly be involved in fascism.

    It's all about being extreme and absolute.

    Personally, while I see some dingbats here and there, I've never been convinced there is much of a political threat in environmentalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Clearly a lot of people do. And here's the shortcut: Intense [social or political notion] will have parallels to or possibly be involved in fascism.

    It's all about being extreme and absolute.

    Personally, while I see some dingbats here and there, I've never been convinced there is much of a political threat in environmentalism.
    Well, there's this whole undertone that it's good/okay/acceptable for certain groups of people to die for the sake of the environment. Replace environment with country and you get a shitstorm, you know, but somehow for the environment is okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparrow View Post
    ^ Sorry for being bitchy . No thanks I dont want to come along, we could do coffee though, Im in the 206 too .
    No prob, I figured you might just be joking anyway. It was hilarious.

    And, sorry but no. I've already got a lifetime commitment to my girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    No prob, I figured you might just be joking anyway. It was hilarious.

    And, sorry but no. I've already got a lifetime commitment to my girl.

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    What a tease.
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    I don't want to make light at all of the Discovery Channel attack at all. Yet I have this absurd association: when this thread seemed to be about executing over-consuming Americans I kept thinking of that cheesy old clip "Garbage Day!"
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