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    Did you know that WWI, WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam all began under Democratic administrations? Can you imagine any of those wars being fought by today's Democrates with their pacifist, isolationist ideology? Democrates don't know how to defend the country anymore. Before Viet Nam both parties were not so extreme and were more centrist.
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    I think we are still experiencing shock waves from the Viet Nam war. In the late 1960's the anti-war people took control of the democratic party and the pro-war people went right to the republican party.
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    As for social policy, the left buys the people's votes with expensive domestic programs. Obama and the liberal congress have really gone over the line with spending and it's time to limit entitlements before we go bankrupt.
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    Maybe when every hippy Viet Nam war protester is dead we can get back to normal political discourse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterk View Post
    Did you know that WWI, WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam all began under Democratic administrations? Can you imagine any of those wars being fought by today's Democrates with their pacifist, isolationist ideology? Democrates don't know how to defend the country anymore. Before Viet Nam both parties were not so extreme and were more centrist.
    The democratic party is actually nowhere near as "extreme" left as it used to be (which is sad, frankly). The right is much, much more extreme than it has been in the recent past. That you equate pacifism with wanting to cut back wars we never should have started (yes, I said *started*) makes me doubt your clarity of thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by peterk View Post
    I think we are still experiencing shock waves from the Viet Nam war. In the late 1960's the anti-war people took control of the democratic party and the pro-war people went right to the republican party.
    Nothing is ever as simple as "pro war" or "anti war". There's a difference between "tough and strong" and "belligerent and hegemonic". You can be the first without the second -- but our problems stem largely from those who were the second, more so than the first.

    Quote Originally Posted by peterk View Post
    As for social policy, the left buys the people's votes with expensive domestic programs. Obama and the liberal congress have really gone over the line with spending and it's time to limit entitlements before we go bankrupt.
    I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you supported Bush, or at least, the Republicans in general. Who have done more to destroy the economy with budget-busting spending on everything from silly military expansions, invasions, bailouts, "stimulus payments", and the widely discredited theory that gutting taxes leads to increased revenue. This is *not* a democratic problem. They haven't perhaps been as aggressive in fixing it as they should have been (probably true), but at *worst*, this is something that both parties are equally culpable on. Personally, I look at spending and budget-busting and see that Republicans (Reagan, BushI, BushII) presided over most of the damage. That's not a coincidence. Let's start by cutting military spending by 80%.

    Quote Originally Posted by peterk View Post
    Maybe when every hippy Viet Nam war protester is dead we can get back to normal political discourse.
    Normal political discourse being "Bring it on", or "Kill the commies"? War protesters, especially the ones who served in Vietnam and came back and protested, are likely what's kept you from being drafted. War *should* be protested. War may *sometimes* be necessary -- that's why we have a military -- but the day that "normal political discourse" *doesn't* involve protesting war, particularly aggression, we've lost more than any war could win us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelric View Post
    I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you supported Bush, or at least, the Republicans in general. Who have done more to destroy the economy with budget-busting spending on everything from silly military expansions, invasions, bailouts, "stimulus payments", and the widely discredited theory that gutting taxes leads to increased revenue. This is *not* a democratic problem. They haven't perhaps been as aggressive in fixing it as they should have been (probably true), but at *worst*, this is something that both parties are equally culpable on. Personally, I look at spending and budget-busting and see that Republicans (Reagan, BushI, BushII) presided over most of the damage. That's not a coincidence. Let's start by cutting military spending by 80%.
    Don't forget Medicare Part D, an absolutely wonderful entitlement program created by Republicans. Republicans don't spend any less than Democrats, they only hand out money to different groups. Baby Boomers (of both parties) are stealing from younger generations. And they'll never stop stealing until they are dead.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Oh, wow, I didn't know that!

    The more you know.
    And now you know...

    AND KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE!

    (The other half is 25% red lasers and 25% blue lasers)

    Anyhow...this may sound a weebit silly, but...

    Ideologically I support the republican economic ideals. I believe in the free market. But the republicans really manage to find a way to fuck everything up anyway.

    The democrats, despite the fact that they're a socialistic bunch of nitwits, seem to find a way to make life better--at least Clinton did. Barry O'Bomber has yet to come close to filling Clinton's shoes.

    But heck, I voted for Hillary in the primaries--I think if it was Hillary in the white house right now, we'd be in *much* better shape.
    I am an ENTJ. I hate political correctness but love smart people ^_^

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