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    Default Should sex offenders be treated humanely?

    Vicious attack leaves Pa. inmate comatose

    If his diary and witness accounts are to be believed, Nicholas Pinto endured months of physical, sexual and mental abuse in prison. Guards roughed him up, made him stand naked in a cold cell for hours at a time, and taunted him relentlessly. A fellow inmate raped him night after night, beat him when he resisted, and stole his possessions.

    And no one, he claimed, did a thing about it.

    "The overall treatment I have received from both the prison and (the prison's) medical providers (is) unconstitutional, insufficient, cruel, inhumane and shamefully unacceptable," Pinto wrote in April.

    He feared for his life, yet the officials responsible for his safety appear to have ignored his pleas for help — nor did they heed a warning from the prison chaplain that Pinto was in grave danger.

    An accused child pornographer, he was at the bottom of the prison hierarchy. So what came next was perhaps inevitable.
    It seems a large number of people approve of these acts of violence committed toward Pinto. They believe that because he is a child molester, he deserved everything he got and then some. So what's your opinion on all this? Did Pinto deserve it? Do sex offenders or even just offenders in general deserve to be raped and beaten on a daily basis?

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    The prison system is required by law to remain impartial when it comes to the treatment of the inmates and the security guards shall be required to follow suit.

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    Nothing that could ever be done to the offenders could take away what they did to their victims. Such offenders don't deserve any kind of attention to acknowledge their existence ever again. Can this kind of behaviour towards anybody who has committed serious crimes against another human being really be seen as punishment for their actions? It would most likely just make them feel as victims put on the spot, so why bother, really. You're lowering yourself to their level, so do you deserve to be treated like that in turn as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky is BLUE! View Post
    Nothing that could ever be done to the offenders could take away what they did to their victims. Such offenders don't deserve any kind of attention to acknowledge their existence ever again. Can this kind of behaviour towards anybody who has committed serious crimes against another human being really be see as punishment for their actions? It would most likely just make them feel as victims put on the spot, so why bother, really. You're lowering yourself to their level, so do you deserve to be treated like that in turn as well?
    Took the words out of my mouth.


    I specially like the bolded part. It's something people who often rant about an eye for an eye (when it comes to serious crimes) should ponder on. If someone deserves that something bad be done to them in return - who should carry out the deed?

    The suffering of "a bad person" doesn't make me any more indifferent than that of an innocent.

    To me it's like death penalty - If you agree with it, then kill them yourself.

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    Yes, sex offenders should be treated humanely in prison (as should every inmate and criminal) because human rights apply equally to everyone. Yes his acts were disgusting but so are the acts committed by the prison guards and other inamtes; are thought we as a society had advanced beyond barberic torture, why are people still allowing it to occur in prisons? Not to mention that not all sex offenders are child molesters; young adults (18 to 25) having sex with older teens, people who commit public urination or indecency, and hell just having a naked photo of yourself as a teen can get a person registered as a sex offender; should these people be totured in dungeon like settings by a bunch of sadistic sociopaths? No. Seriously people, I understand the hatred for those that do immoral and repulsive acts towards others, but doing equally immoral and repulsive acts towards them is just as equally wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5231311252 View Post
    It seems a large number of people approve of these acts of violence committed toward Pinto. They believe that because he is a child molester, he deserved everything he got and then some. So what's your opinion on all this? Did Pinto deserve it? Do sex offenders or even just offenders in general deserve to be raped and beaten on a daily basis?
    Ah now, seriously? Who approves of rape, institutionalised cruelty and beatings? I think this is just one of those dumb things which gets repeated as fact.

    Two things I want to say about this. First, I believe its a myth that people support violence against child sex offenders, people are not naturally inclined to approve of cruelty and violence, definitely not rape, and in fact this is the very reason why they have such a low opinion of child sex offenders in the first place.

    The fact that this myth/lie of at least complicity in the violence against sex offenders is repeated with such plausibility is that people find their crimes so horrendous and feel there should be consequences. It is not the same as other crimes. It is a special case.

    Secondly, there are certain realities about prison life, I think that should be publicised, as widely as possible. To be frank I cant believe that people havent heard about prison life and expect it to be some kind of holiday camp. It should be disincentive enough to offending behaviour. Its the same as a hard luck stories peddled by junkies, I feel like saying "Seriously? You didnt hear? You didnt know what that shit would do to you?". To this prisoner I'd be saying "What? You didnt know there was rape in prison? You didnt know that prison isnt a nice place to be and you're at the mercy of others?".

    In each instance the only thing which will stop this offending behaviour is a cultural zero tolerance, so when people make excuses, divert, deny a victim/harm, deploy the full battery of self-enabling arguments outside their head with others they are met with a perfect consensus saying "No", "No, you got it wrong buddy".

    To be honest I get disgusted when I read stuff like this, deconstruct that whole piece, the quotation, you'll see there's a presumption of innocence on his part, his criminal behaviour and history is barely mentioned and minimised, he's portrayed as a victim. What the hell is that about? It just is further and greater reinforcement to offenders in the community who havent been caught yet who will be currying favour and pleading the paramountcy of their needs and the world bending to their will from the moment they get caught, its been their basic motif force already.

    You're talking about predatory individuals, often who have not developed conscience in the same way as any other psychologically normal individual, in criminology classes in the states they still play interviews with Dalmer and others in which he is able to do a convincing act of a conscientious individual in difficult circumstances who is deserving of sympathy and support. Its really dangerous if society starts to buy that BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Brain View Post
    Yes, sex offenders should be treated humanely in prison (as should every inmate and criminal) because human rights apply equally to everyone.
    Agreed. I'm pleased to see a federal civil rights lawsuit will be filed.
    If people don't care about other people's rights, then they damn well better be willing to give up their own rights. It's that simple.

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    I think this thread could benefit from a poll. Make it anonymous so people can vote as they please regardless of the general consensus reached in-thread. Personally I believe they should be treated humanely, for much the same reason I oppose the death penalty. What if the person is innocent of the charges? That's not the only reason, but surely it's sufficiently compelling?

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    This is a topic where my open-mindedness completely deserts me.
    While i may not agree with him being raped night after night i would have no objections to a child molester (if certainly guilty) being castrated and their hands being chopped off.
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