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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    All people who believe in vengeance "need help"? That's a subjective moral opinion, not an objective psychiatric fact. Just know.
    No shit it's subjective. Opinions usually are. Just like "it's wrong to molest little children". If you catch my drift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    No shit it's subjective. Opinions usually are. Just like "it's wrong to molest little children". If you catch my drift.
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    Personally i'd really like to hear from someone who has children who would want the molester of their child/children (hypothetically of course) treated humanely in prison.
    Anyone?
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    I would like to see the hypothetical molester of my children put humanely to sleep by lethal injection.

    Of course, that's all hypothetical. I would likely feel differently if the hypothetical became real... but I'm an ENTP, so my feelings are mostly irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I've always felt that people need to be made to feel the gravity of what they've done wrong. It's not unusual for child rapists to be murdered by other inmates, even if the guards aren't involved. I think it's a human instinct.

    I don't think all human instincts are bad. While I do feel that there are too many people in prison for the wrong reasons, some people absolutely fucking belong there. Some people also need to be put to sleep like sick animals because they will always be a detriment to society, no matter what. Those are extreme cases, of course.
    Put to sleep? Well if you believe that then I guess you should actively take part in changing the sentences for people convicted of this crime. Advocating the decay and negligence of the law itself is a rather dangerous way of fuliflling your sense of justice.

    But even in taking the civic route, I would implore you to think carefully about saying it's okay to execute some prisoners, or even torture them as would be the case here.

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    It would be interesting to gauge whether women feel more strongly about this issue than men. A hunch tells me they might, just because of biological instincts to protect children.
    I'd rather not get into a discussion trying to attribute categories of people with particular beliefs (and biological categories just make it worse).

    And I see this as not having anything to do with protection. You're taking someone who has already been apprehended and subjecting them to suffering that has no constructive impact. And don't tell me it's about deterrence. People such as bona fide pedophiles are not going to be deterred by this any more than vicious laws would successfully make you or me swear a life celibacy.

    So all this comes down to is vengeance, not protection. I see no morality in vengeance.

    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    Personally i'd really like to hear from someone who has children who would want the molester of their child/children (hypothetically of course) treated humanely in prison.
    Anyone?
    I don't. The person who is emotionally compromised is even less likely to be the voice of reason. They could still make a good point, potentially, but I don't think that position lends authority to such a person at all.
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    marm's perspective is understandable, and even to be expected. marm is voicing the classic maternal perspective.

    Mess with the cubs, and you can expect less than zero mercy from the mama bear. Or, how did Kipling put it?

    The Female of the Species
    by Rudyard Kipling

    WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
    He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
    But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
    For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

    When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
    He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
    But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
    For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

    When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
    They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
    'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
    For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

    Man's timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
    For the Woman that God gave him isn't his to give away;
    But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other's tale—
    The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

    Man, a bear in most relations—worm and savage otherwise,—
    Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
    Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
    To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

    Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
    To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
    Mirth obscene diverts his anger—Doubt and Pity oft perplex
    Him in dealing with an issue—to the scandal of The Sex!

    But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
    Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
    And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
    The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

    She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
    May not deal in doubt or pity—must not swerve for fact or jest.
    These be purely male diversions—not in these her honour dwells—
    She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

    She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
    As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
    And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
    Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

    She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
    Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
    He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
    Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

    Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,
    Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons—even so the cobra bites,
    Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
    And the victim writhes in anguish—like the Jesuit with the squaw!

    So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
    With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
    Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
    To some God of Abstract Justice—which no woman understands.

    And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
    Must command but may not govern—shall enthral but not enslave him.
    And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
    That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.

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    Well this is a very subjective question, loaded with heavy emotional appeal. It's all up to the moral standards that hold up a countries judiciary system so i can't really directly state an opinion since it all ends up subjectively evaluated and you run the risk of falling for the indignation trap. In some countries you get a anything from 10-15 years, in other you get capital punishment. So it's all a matter of how you and society evaluate the punishment for crime rebuttal when drawing up measure taking. It has alot to do with societies perception. Why would cases of child related crime have a large discrepancy between adult associated crime?. Why would the other be perceived differently?. Pretty relative if you ask me.

    So are child-offenders entitled to humane treatment?, that's not really important. The important question is, does society have the right to dictate the gradation of criminality based on poorly constructed platform of perspective?, and how should it evaluate it?.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post

    I don't. The person who is emotionally compromised is even less likely to be the voice of reason. They could still make a good point, potentially, but I don't think that position lends authority to such a person at all.
    So all parents are compromised emotionally in this hypothetical situation? Should then we only take the opinions seriously of persons without children?
    Although i suppose they could always think hypothetically of their niece or nephew sister or brother etc.
    hmmm....
    I just thought it would be interesting to see if any such parent exists on this forum.
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    In my opinion I think that anyone who molests young children or rapes women deserves to be raped in prison, maybe it would teach them a lesson. They might think twice about ever doing it again. I don't have any pitty for child molesters whatsoever. It's not right to take advantage of young children period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparrow View Post
    In my opinion I think that anyone who molests young children or rapes women deserve to be raped in prison, maybe it would teach them a lesson. They might think twice about ever doing it again. I don't have any pitty for child molesters whatsoever. It's not right to take advantage of young children period.
    Pedophilia has little to do with any lesson. It is compelled by an irrational drive that cannot be taught away. And like I said, I doub't it deters people who haven't be imprisoned yet. Maybe it deters those who have, but those aren't really the ones that would need to be deterred are they?

    And if you can see this only as a matter of pittying the child molester himself, then once again I must remind that this is only a piece of a big problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    So all parents are compromised emotionally in this hypothetical situation? Should then we only take the opinions seriously of persons without children?
    We shouldn't take it any less seriously than anyone else's. We shouldn't give it any more weight, either.
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