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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Does anyone deserve crimes to be committed against them?

    Duh. That's why there's laws.
    Law isn't about who deserves what. That's the question of "what is right/ethical" and what is right is distinct from "what is lawful".
    It's a quite interesting topic by itself btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Law isn't about who deserves what. That's the question of "what is right/ethical" and what is right is distinct from "what is lawful".
    It's a quite interesting topic by itself btw
    Laws are supposed to be just, when they aren't they are at fault.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Laws are supposed to be just, when they aren't they are at fault.
    just..justice. *hint*
    Laws are more about expediency than society scaled ethics. They're more 'atomic' if you will, more focused on the subject and those directly concerned by it rather than aiming at maximizing efficiency at a societal level.
    A law obviously cannot encourage beating sex offenders up as its unlawful. But that's independant of the idea of "maximizing the good" (used that term for the sake of simplicity rather than actually believing in good vs bad, 'm a moral skeptic and such)
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    They are better than murderers so I guess so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterk View Post
    They are better than murderers so I guess so.
    What about a sex offender who murders his or her victims?

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    No, absolutely not.

    Pay evil unto evil.

    An eye for an eye indeed--don't want to lose yours, don't poke out someone else's!
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    On first thought, I believe they deserve it.

    However, I think state sanctioned execution is better than allowing pedophiles to be abused in prison. It isn't uncommon for a pedo to have been abused as a child. So, it is inhumane.

    There are thousands of pedophiles "missing" in the U.S., because they didn't register their address. I don't believe these people can be rehabilitated, and keeping them in jail is a waste of money.

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    Rationally speaking, i think they shouldn't be treated inhumanely despite their actions/offenses. It goes for any other criminal or convicted sex offender, they have the exact same rights as anyone else when it comes to how they should be treated. It's called Human Rights, and at the end of the day it applies to everyone no matter what they have done.

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    They know what's waiting for them in prison, and they still do it. They're so mentally twisted that they can't resist doing it, even if the risk is so high.

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    Violence towards insane people solves nothing. There is no thinking power devoted to analyzing the problem (the fact that some percentage of people are insane in this way).

    The government's job should be to solve the problem; that's all. The short-term solution is to remove their ability to harm again (put them away). The long-term solution is to study the nature of the people with this sort of thinking. What else would actually help if the goal is to minimize the damage this kind of insanity causes?

    The death penalty (or cruel treatment in prison) is really just a mechanism for revenge. Bad things happen to good people, so make bad things happen to bad people too! Unfortunately, this just means there are more bad things overall. Not to mention the fact that SOMEONE has to actually commit the act against the wrongdoer, making them a wrongdoer as well.

    It seems to me that the pro-causing-pain-or-killing side really just wants to be able to get revenge on someone that hurts them. They just want the government to do it so it seems more objective or something.

    I think everyone should minimize the damage they do. If bad shit happens, it's a sunk cost (as in, doing something after the fact can't change the fact). I think we can all agree that getting revenge (not for the sake of setting precedents) makes situations worse. So why do we allow it when the state does it? When prison workers don't stop it? When inmates do it to each other?

    Solving violence with violence just seems so obviously inefficient.

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