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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Can't drum up any sympathy for sex offenders.
    It's worth noting that the choice to treat offenders humanely does not require sympathy or any emotional response. It may be important for people victimized to have emotional responses as they heal, but when judging how to solve a society level problem personal biases should be at a minimum. The only thing that is important is effectiveness in problem solving. What kind of system minimizes the development of violators? What perpetuates it? It could be worth noting which societies currently have the lowest rates of child molestation and then look at their legal system and culture as a whole. Compare this with a society that is struggling with the issue and see what factors are different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5231311252 View Post
    I was all for castration at one point, until I realized the effects of such an act and how they'd most likely only make things even worse than before. Sex offenders will not only find even more creative ways to assault others, they may raise the stakes and kill them, just to avoid having their dicks cut off. There have been hundreds of sexual assaults committed by impotent sex offenders. So castration might stop their sexual drive, but it isn't guaranteed to stop them from committing another assault
    Do you have data supporting actual large scale efficiency of not castrating male sex offenders( i doubt there s much data on female sex off)?

    The fact that it doesn't work in all cases doesnt mean that its not an overall better solution
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    Originally posted by Aleksei
    How is it illogical? The purpose of punishment is deterrence. Mutilation is a deterrent. Thus, it is perfectly logical that mutilation be used as punishment for a crime.
    Perhpas illogical wasn't the correct term, rather that method of deterrence is unethical.

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    That's a more reasonable position.
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    One could say that the mutilation is worse than the reduced chance of crime. If there was a 5% chance of being raped or a 100% chance of having your hand cut off which choice would you make? Punishments for the sake of deterrence shouldn't end up being more harmful than the crimes they prevent.
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    Most sex offenders are this way b/c of some kind of abuse and even worse, most reenact their childhood abuse over and over again with victims.

    It's already known that sex offenders and especially, child sex offenders are going to get got in prison. They know this and it's not deterring them anyway.

    I think that for too long people are responding to sex offenders as if there were normal people and as if what would deter a normal person from committing a crime. It's simply not that rational. I doubt any kind of mutilation or severe torture will deter sex offenders, it's not in their make up to respond to this type of punishment. They already have had some pretty severe abuse acted upon them, they aren't going to respond well to worse.

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    I don't understand why this is even a question. Of course they should be treated humanely; castrating them, beating them up, torturing them, etc. will not undo their actions nor erase the pain of the children who they supposedly harmed or raped. In fact, nothing we do to them will undo their actions or erase their effects. If the punishment ought to fit the crime, then how is it different from the crime which it supposedly punishes? O.o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo View Post
    I don't understand why this is even a question. Of course they should be treated humanely; castrating them, beating them up, torturing them, etc. will not undo their actions nor erase the pain of the children who they supposedly harmed or raped. In fact, nothing we do to them will undo their actions or erase their effects. If the punishment ought to fit the crime, then how is it different from the crime which it supposedly punishes? O.o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Brain View Post
    Perhpas illogical wasn't the correct term, rather that method of deterrence is unethical.
    Correct Ethics are based on society-scaled logics.
    Otherwise I believe the technical term is 'making you feel good about yourself'
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    Does anyone deserve crimes to be committed against them?

    Duh. That's why there's laws.

    It is strange though that people think that death is worse than torture. I'm guessing that most people in the midst of torture would disagree.

    You can't have the death sentence handed out too easily (what happens if they're innocent?) but you can lock the accused/ convicted up where they have a good chance of being tortured and denigrated and made to feel more vengeful than most can possibly conceive of.

    Yeah that makes sense.

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