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    Quote Originally Posted by quamdel View Post
    umm...

    I think it comes down to whether you want to cooperate in life, or compete in life. The more people cooperate, the further we can go. The more we compete, the more we defeat our progress.

    Cooperation makes us all winners.
    Competition merely designates the top competetor.
    It's true that competition does not benefit competitors. But sometimes competition can benefit an outside party. For example when businesses compete, then consumers benefit. On the other hand it is illegal for businesses to cooperate in many ways. For example, a cartel is essentially a way for businesses to cooperate, and they are often illegal.

    Remember that generally when people cooperate they are trying to overcome some obstacle. If the "obstacle" is the consumers, then cooperation doesn't necessarily benefit everyone.
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    Eliminate welfare and export ALL illegal aliens. Force prisoners to perform hard labor.

    In fact, I say that there should be a new rule: If a child is born in America and neither of their parents are legitimately permanent citizens, they should not be American citizens. They should be the parents' home country's problem.

    Of course, not only would that require an overhaul of American citizenship criteria, it would require the same of all countries.
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    apparently everyone wants to support the constitution but no one cares about what's actually IN IT

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    pfft fuck that ancient piece of paper.

    I got one of these at home,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebe View Post
    apparently everyone wants to support the constitution but no one cares about what's actually IN IT
    I'm not one of those people. I openly express my half-hearted interest in the constitution.

    But I am all for giving immigrants much easier paths into American citizenship. I like welfare, too.

    I don't care for the constitution, and I believe I'm more humanitarian than most people who insist they do. That's just my observation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post

    everyone has always thought the world is going to the crapper, to some extent. history is ebb and flow. i'm not saying we shouldn't work to change things for the better - we should - but down is inevitable. fortunately, so is up. both on micro and macro scales.
    I tend to believe this too.

    Does it have any factual basis whatsoever?

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    You live in California right? You are on the front lines...you can actually see it happen sooner then many others will xD

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    I feel like the Constitution (and the Bill of Rights) should be lowest common denominator: we should never do worse, although I hope we can do better. I do get queasy about limiting free speech of individuals (for example), even when they express opinions I disagree with.

    I found this article in on increasing income disparity interesting. I think Washington is so insulated from the recession they not understand the urgent need for increased unemployment. The fight over whether to extend unemployment benefits seemed especially ludicrous, given that there are multiple job seekers for every available job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    I want to hear your opinions. Are we going down the crapper? Are we already in it? Any ideas to save the country from a downward spiral?

    Unless they stop states teaching "creationism" and "intelligent design" to kids..
    Unless they stop banning stem cell research for religious reasons..
    Unless they stop making celebs out of the stupidest people one can ever find...
    Unless they stop cutting funding for education while funding multi-Billion$ sports stadiums
    Unless they stop letting religious wackos dictate public policy


    yeah...the country will go down the crapper...due to the above mentioned reasons.
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