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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    It's extraordinary that institutional slavery was abolished for the first time in human history by the House of Commons in 1833.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    It did. The only freedom you have under wage slavery is to choose the type of chains you're wearing. You've still got to wear those chains, and someone will still profit off your labor.
    Why does somebody always have to bring up the fucking wage slavery schtick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Why does somebody always have to bring up the fucking wage slavery schtick.
    Because they have a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    It did. The only freedom you have under wage slavery is to choose the type of chains you're wearing. You've still got to wear those chains, and someone will still profit off your labor.
    How many people in the world do you suppose are actually free of the need to work in order to survive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    It's extraordinary that institutional slavery was abolished for the first time in human history by the House of Commons in 1833.
    Victor, I've already corrected you several times before on this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    Because they have a point.
    No they don't. It's retarded semantics and pointless rabble rousing. OMGz i have to work to live whatever will I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    No they don't. It's retarded semantics and pointless rabble rousing. OMGz i have to work to live whatever will I do.
    It's not "retarded" or pointless to bring it up. When you live a certain way your entire life it might be hard to see it any other way. I think when this kind of living slavery is mentioned, it refers to a free-range kind of slavery. It's not entirely face value. You do not have complete freedom in life:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    No they don't. It's retarded semantics and pointless rabble rousing. OMGz i have to work to live whatever will I do.
    I dont think it is, its not the same as paid employment per se though, its a condition of indentured or sweated labour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    No they don't. It's retarded semantics and pointless rabble rousing. OMGz i have to work to live whatever will I do.
    That's not the point.

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    Damn smartphone. I typed up this great response and it didn't upload. Boo.

    In a nutshell - "slavery" and "wage slave labor" or even "slavery to debt" are not apples to apples but more gradations. Also it is almost impossible to separate a "normal" amount of pressure and difficulty that goes into any labor and the "exploitation" of an economic system. I think it was Oberon who said in another thread that the worker is always exploited in any system. I assumed he meant its just a matter of degree.

    I think the idea of being a slave to wages only applies in a global context to developing countries and the very poorest in non commie/socialist countries in the developed world. In the us the analogy is good for pointing out how the working class is kept working class and how different kinds of labor are rewarded (or not)

    Is "wage slavery" the same as actual slavery? No not at all.

    If you described it more as an analogy of how jim crow laws were the legal extension of slavery, that argument would be easier for me to agree with.
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