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    I'm curious why prostitution and gambling are still illegal (besides benefitting Nevada). Is there any logical reason? I heard someone say once of Marijuana, "I don't think we should legalize it because it is safe. I think we should legalize it because it is dangerous." I think this applies here. Thoughts?
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    Are you saying that prostitutes are medicinal?

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    Utterly wrong.
    Legalizing things does not make them go away.
    That is one of the stupidest rumors ever conceived, and I hate that it has become so popular.

    The problem with drug use is the way they attempt to ban it, not the fact that they do. I can assure that if this country had any brains about how to deal with drugs, it would make drug usage lower than it would be if it were legalized.

    Unfortunately, this stupidity on the part of the government has lead people to think that illegalization proliferates things, when there is no inherent correlation.

    The fact is, a lot of prostitution compounds are really nasty, to the point that one wonders how it's much better than illegal prostitution.
    Secondly, if I recall correctly, illegal prostitution actually increases wherever legal prostitution is.
    In reality, if something is legal in only certain ways, instead of being illegal outright, then it is much easier to mask the illegal version as a legitimate one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Utterly wrong.
    Legalizing things does not make them go away.
    That is one of the stupidest rumors ever conceived, and I hate that it has become so popular.
    I have no idea what you are talking about. The argument was that if it is legal it can be given standards (like casinos, for instance). I never claimed that making it legal would make it go away, nor would I since I don't think it would, and I don't think anything is wrong with either one of those.

    Unfortunately, this stupidity on the part of the government has lead people to think that illegalization proliferates things, when there is no inherent correlation.
    It does proliferate illegal finances though (at least it would if the gov't effectively ran them).
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    I think it's too risky, complicated and taboo for the government to be involved in gambling and prostitution rings if not for just the reason that the practices are considered unethical to begin with (society's standards). Much less, getting involved in the logistics. Just allowing it to exist and for people to set their own standards and methods of operation isn't going to happen. I don't think any city in America would welcome hookers on their street corners. Legalizing brothels and small casinos would bring with it an influx in other crimes and quarrels. Not to mention that a brothel (unless the establishment is properly inspected (as well as the females) by direction of the government and on a regular basis) would be a haven for venereal disease. For the government to overlook that and allow it by not batting an eye, that would just be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about. The argument was that if it is legal it can be given standards (like casinos, for instance). I never claimed that making it legal would make it go away, nor would I since I don't think it would, and I don't think anything is wrong with either one of those.
    Actually, illegal things can be given standards supposing you have the right underworld at work. Often times I don't really think legal corporations are much more respectable than the mafia.
    If you've read about some of those legal prostitution joints in Nevada, you can see how little relavent regulation is being put on them.

    I'm not sure about gambling, but I think prostitution is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBeatGoesOn View Post
    I think it's too risky, complicated and taboo for the government to be involved in gambling and prostitution rings if not for just the reason that the practices are considered unethical to begin with. Much less, getting involved in the logistics. Just allowing it to exist and for people to set their own standards and methods of operation isn't going to happen.
    And who is going to be setting those standards and methods anyway?
    Probably not the prostitutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBeatGoesOn View Post
    I think it's too risky, complicated and taboo for the government to be involved in gambling and prostitution rings if not for just the reason that the practices are considered unethical to begin with. Much less, getting involved in the logistics. Just allowing it to exist and for people to set their own standards and methods of operation isn't going to happen.
    At the core of every society is a spoken and unspoken set of moral standards, whether or not everyone comprising the population endorses them. So, prostitution will never be acceptable. Consider that a place like Amsterdam, that has legalized prostitution, only does it to control the STD rate in the country, but not because the society as a whole thinks the practice is okay. Most Dutch citizens think it's repellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    And who is going to be setting those standards and methods anyway?
    Probably not the prostitutes.
    Pimps, hookers, organized crime mobs.

    As far as safety and cleanliness standards they won't do a thorough job (or any at all) and that's why it won't be left up to them as well as legal, at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyJaye View Post
    At the core of every society is a spoken and unspoken set of moral standards, whether or not everyone comprising the population endorses them. So, prostitution will never be acceptable. Consider that a place like Amsterdam, that has legalized prostitution, only does it to control the STD rate in the country, but not because the society as a whole thinks the practice is okay. Most Dutch citizens think it's repellent.
    Right. So the other alternative is for the government to do its best to exterminate it (which is more or less what America does). I think that's the best thing.

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