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    Senior Member Chunes's Avatar
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    Try not to shoot yourself in the foot with that rifle, Rambo.
    "If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. But do not care to convince him. Men will believe what they see. Let them see."
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    This question is stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chunes View Post
    Necessary, no.
    Why isn't it necessary? Explain yourself.

    I do however think it is a crying shame the way money is often used. It used to be that the charging of interest was considered usury and morally shady.
    When was that?

    To those who would claim that the charging of interest is the only way to fuel growth, I answer: use your imaginations. Sheesh. There are so many possibilities it makes my brain ache to see things like that being said.
    Share some.

    The thing I dislike the most is that we aren't allotted a place to simply exist to call our own. For this "privilege" we are required to submit to demeaning labor so that we may shovel money into the bottomless pit called rent. Ah, to live in a world where I could build a shelter for myself without being labeled a criminal..
    Are you implying that you want to live in jail?
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
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    Money is convenient, as well as freeing. Without money, who will decide how many widgets you need and who deserves what form of compensation for work done? Neither socialism or communism appeals to me. If my life is easier with one more widget than Sally has, too friggen' bad for Sally. If she wants an extra widget, she can damn well work for it.

    To expand on that, going back to finding someone who wants the horse pucks that Arnie provides, isn't a lifestyle I'd be interested in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chunes View Post
    Try not to shoot yourself in the foot with that rifle, Rambo.
    Come to me and ask for a place to stay, I'll ask you in and welcome.

    Come to me threating theft or violence, and you will be less welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentMind View Post
    Share some.
    I can think of a million things wrong with our monetary system.

    Any system I were to put forth would get the same treatment from you, so I'll pass
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chunes View Post
    I can think of a million things wrong with our monetary system.

    Any system I were to put forth would get the same treatment from you, so I'll pass
    Riiiiiiiight.
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    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
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    Money:

    I has a fish. I wants a video game. I sell fish to grocer, grocer gives me money, I buy video game.

    Without money:

    I has a fish. I wants a video game. I try to trade fish for video game. Video game seller is allergic to fish and kicks me out with my stinky fish and no video game. I go T_T.

    That the middle class is getting screwed in favor of social programs for the complete failures in society while the rich get absurdly so is the issue.
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    I've decided its not between friends.

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    Money is the wrong target, property is the problem. The idea that you can own something and have complete control of it including the right to deny other people use of it (even if they need it more - hell, even if they need it to survive) has been elevated to the position of an absolute moral right in some people's minds. Any suggestion that there might be an alternative to this is quickly shot down with indignation and sarcasm, as amply demonstrated by some of the commenters here

    Sorry, this probably sounds like I'm trying to politicise this thread. Please ignore the raving lefty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manis View Post
    Money is the wrong target, property is the problem.
    Interesting... but I can see how this could be the case. People who have sought spiritual enlightenment in both Eastern and Western streams of thought have commonly divested themselves of property. Poverty is a monastic tradition; and yet the abandonment of property has not necessarily led to deprivation (insufficiency of food, clothing, or shelter) except where that deprivation has been expressly and deliberately the goal. This is because the monastics have monasteries, physical and organizational structures in place that provide for their physical needs.

    So for some, it seems that the solution to poverty is... poverty. Poverty with guard rails on it.

    Which brings up an important question: What do we mean exactly by "poverty"? Do we mean physical lack that could cause suffering and health decline to the point of death if unabated? Or do we merely mean a low standard of living?

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