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    Question The end of poverty

    Is it possible?

    What sort of innovation would be necessary to eliminate poverty?
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    Eliminating overpopulation would help.
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    Nice concept, but people are far too selfish and judgmental for it to happen.
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    Unlimited resources, or a change of culture.

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    Equality, even distribution of wealth....theres enough for everyone.
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    I reckon it doesnt exist in the developed world, if your country suffers from obescity instead of starvation then you've eradicated poverty, now just because poverty has gone doesnt mean that there's no squalor.

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    I am talking about technology and innovation.

    What kind of revolutionary technology would be necessary to eliminate scarcity and close the gap between the rich and poor?

    Is poverty a plague that can never be destroyed?
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    Is it possible?

    What sort of innovation would be necessary to eliminate poverty?
    The innovation occurred in 1776 when Adam Smith published his, "Wealth of Nations".

    Adam showed us that private greed led to public prosperity.

    Before Adam Smith we described private greed as usury and left it to the deicides, the Jews.

    And now for the first time in human history scarcity has been overcome in developed nations.

    But of course we still think in terms of scarcity and have yet to come to terms with our prosperity.

    And having achieved prosperity, all we have to worry about is whether we are happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    I am talking about technology and innovation.

    What kind of revolutionary technology would be necessary to eliminate scarcity and close the gap between the rich and poor?

    Is poverty a plague that can never be destroyed?
    It is man-made. There is no such thing in nature. There is feast and there is famine. Populations expand until they use up all the available resources, then they contract. That's the natural cycle. If you artificially manipulate resources, you must also artificially manipulate population size, because resources will always be finite.

    Inequality and poverty are different problems. The gap between rich and poor has little to do with net available resources and everything to do with the innate the drive to compete. Technology can't solve that. Perfect socialism could, but it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist because it is incompatible with human nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    I am talking about technology and innovation.

    What kind of revolutionary technology would be necessary to eliminate scarcity and close the gap between the rich and poor?

    Is poverty a plague that can never be destroyed?
    Jesus said the poor you will always have with you and I'm inclined to agree with him, I dont believe that its simply a problem of mal-distribution.

    Speaking as a socialist I'm impressed, that for all the faults (and attendent perfidious class struggles), with what developed mixed economies and markets can do in terms of creating superabundance.

    Smith and Marx where agreed that shortages and scarcity which caused structural poverty, ie people not being able to earn sufficiently to meet their needs even with a will to do so, was a problem of production, technology was part of that but not the whole issue and I think each of them would consider poverty remedied if they looked at the developed western world/northern hemisphere.

    Much of the conditions which I associate with poverty, having met with it first hand, going to the worst nooks and cranies inhabited by the worst elements of the urban underclass (and lived to tell the tale! ) I dont think they are afflicted by poverty. Personal and cultural adjustments must take place a pace before any strucutural adjustment could be introduced, I think that decline in personal responsibility for one and managerialism for another have made socialism impossible and are not too far from menacing capitalism itself now too.

    Structural poverty in the third world I think is to do with their point of accumulation of capital, money circulates to those countries but is not accumulated, and so they remain underdeveloped. A lot of the time that's a cultural issue too, depending upon foreign aid, incompetent governments cause famines (which are not acts of God, they are predictable, they dont happen in the developed world for a reason). Although I do think that those countries should not be prevented through debt bondage and international laws from employing protectionism, particular in food production or food security, like what the US and EU has employed.

    I'm not sure about technology having the answer, what technology? Misconceived modernisation programmes have already broken down in the third world, take a tractor to sub-saharan africa which is designed for greener, cooler climates and its going to breakdown and rust. Are you talking about sci-fi solutions like nano-soils or suits?

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