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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquarelle99 View Post
    But do people *need* to be rich?
    No, but we all have our desires and dreams. Some people want to play the piano, some want to eat fresh vegetables, some want to play chess, and some want to accumulate more material possessions.

    All of these are valid, noble goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    As we've attempted to define poverty, we probably also ought to quantify "rich."

    Apparently the point of the thread is that, at the very least, people need to not be poor. I would venture that it ought to remain possible for people to attain wealth, as it provides an incentive for investment.
    Yes, a definition of "rich" would be helpful. To me, "rich" implies having significantly more wealth than one needs to live comfortably (which I recognize is also subjective). I have no problem with people attaining wealth, but EXCESS wealth is a sticking point for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    No, but we all have our desires and dreams. Some people want to play the piano, some want to eat fresh vegetables, some want to play chess, and some want to accumulate more material possessions.

    All of these are valid, noble goals.
    I don't agree. If I want to play piano or eat fresh vegetables, I can do that without exploiting others. If I want to accumulate EXCESS wealth, my bounty will nearly always come at the detriment of exploited workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquarelle99 View Post
    I don't agree. If I want to play piano or eat fresh vegetables, I can do that without exploiting others. If I want to accumulate EXCESS wealth, my bounty will nearly always come at the detriment of exploited workers.
    The degree to which Marxist theory has saturated this board is rather stunning.

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    Am I supposed to feel insulted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquarelle99 View Post
    Am I supposed to feel insulted?
    No, Aqua. I like you, and I bear you no grudge. It was just an observation.

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    Okay, just checking.
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    I do want to take the opportunity to point out that there actually have been business owners who have started businesses from day 1, paid their people a fair wage, and retired with millions. It is in fact possible to get pretty damn rich without treading upon the proletariat.

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    Well, yes, I suppose it is not impossible. To those people who have done so successfully, I applaud them.

    However, I would still argue that if they are "pretty damn rich," again depending on how you define it, but I take it to mean that they probably have multiple houses, cars and more money than they know what to do with, that they have an obligation to donate some of that excess wealth to help those in need. And, undoubtedly, many do. I'm just saying I think they have that obligation, ethically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquarelle99 View Post
    Well, yes, I suppose it is not impossible. To those people who have done so successfully, I applaud them.

    However, I would still argue that if they are "pretty damn rich," again depending on how you define it, but I take it to mean that they probably have multiple houses, cars and more money than they know what to do with, that they have an obligation to donate some of that excess wealth to help those in need. And, undoubtedly, many do. I'm just saying I think they have that obligation, ethically.
    ...and there ought to be a law to enforce that obligation, am I right?

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    I agree that excess wealth should be illegal, but only on the condition that I alone can determine what excess is.

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