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    Poverty is very unlikely to end... even after a revolution, there soon will be a group that has better ideals and will eventually take the ones that rule it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesshoumaru View Post
    Poverty is very unlikely to end... even after a revolution, there soon will be a group that has better ideals and will eventually take the ones that rule it.
    [head wobble]

    ...what?

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    Poverty allows people to be rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post
    Poverty allows people to be rich.
    Could you provide a fuller explanation of this perspective?

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    Affluence demands labor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Affluence demands labor.
    Yes, but does labor demand poverty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Yes, but does labor demand poverty?
    The kind of labor that an unchecked desire for affluence demands does. If you want to maximize your personal wealth, you're going to want to exploit those under you for every possible penny you can get out of them.

    Also, any labor hierarchy at all is going to have a workforce filling the jobs that are held in low esteem.
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    1.
    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    The kind of labor that an unchecked desire for affluence demands does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    If you want to maximize your personal wealth, you're going to want to exploit those under you for every possible penny you can get out of them.
    Statement 2 isn't necessarily true. Sometimes maximizing personal wealth happens when you hire and fight to keep the very best personnel, thus achieving high performance for your payroll dollars and instilling loyalty in your labor force. In a sense you are still "exploiting" those under you for every possible penny you can get out of them, but it's using a different paradigm. It seems that a few companies are just discovering this, but I believe it to be true. And whenever statement 2 isn't true, statement 1 isn't either.

    I will say that the joint stock corporation model has done a great deal to keep wages down, because of the emphasis it puts on maintaining the satisfaction of shareholders. This reinforces short-term thinking on the part of the company execs, as in "How are we going to make our numbers this quarter?", and tends to mitigate against planning for farther down the road.

    Sole proprietorships (as many small businesses are) aren't as prone to such problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post
    Poverty allows people to be rich.
    But do people *need* to be rich?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquarelle99 View Post
    But do people *need* to be rich?
    As we've attempted to define poverty, we probably also ought to quantify "rich."

    Apparently the point of the thread is that, at the very least, people need to not be poor. I would venture that it ought to remain possible for people to attain wealth, as it provides an incentive for investment.

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