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    Quote Originally Posted by Zergling View Post
    Someone needs to hook a generator or dryer up to Wolf, we can't let all that hot air go to waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    All the people in the US that claim they are liberals are somewhere between authoritarian socialists and totalitarian socialists.
    I'd say that everyone who's *not* a liberal is a corrupt warmongering liar, but I'd be wrong. Just as wrong as you are with the above statement :rolli:

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelric View Post
    I'd say that everyone who's *not* a liberal is a corrupt warmongering liar, but I'd be wrong. Just as wrong as you are with the above statement :rolli:
    Okay, not all, but the vast majority. Your statement was baseless, while mine was based on the indisputable fact that they're authoritarian socialists.

    And it's not back-and-white, no matter how much the media and major political parties want us to believe it is.


    Here's the cold fact: There is no such thing as a liberal democrat. Aside from the wars, Shrub is an authoritarian socialist. Democrats are authoritarian socialists. There has been effectively no difference between the two since the first 9 months of Shrub's administration, aside from a few tax changes that would have been angled to help the rich democrats rather than the rich republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Okay, not all, but the vast majority.
    I'm not precisely sure about your definition of authoritarian and totalitarian socialists, but I think that you're wrong here too. You *may* have a point about some particular candidates for high office. But I'd not say that your rank-and-file liberal is defined by authoritarianism anymore than your rank-and-file conservative is definted by anarchism (a weak analogy, they're not opposite ends of a spectrum - but then, neither are conservatives and liberals).

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    And it's not back-and-white, no matter how much the media and major political parties want us to believe it is.
    This is the one part of your statement that I can agree with wholeheartedly. Those in power want to stay in power. That's the objective. The pandering, sound-bite driven campaigns are simply the easiest, most effective mechanism to get elected. In this, both major parties are alike. This is what we get for electing people who are good at getting elected instead of people who are good leaders (not that there isn't *some* overlap). Not sure what better option would exist, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Here's the cold fact: There is no such thing as a liberal democrat. Aside from the wars, Shrub is an authoritarian socialist. Democrats are authoritarian socialists. There has been effectively no difference between the two since the first 9 months of Shrub's administration, aside from a few tax changes that would have been angled to help the rich democrats rather than the rich republicans.
    Shrub's not a socialist - or at least, the viewpoint that he represents as a figurehead isn't that of a socialist. Authoritarian? Absolutely. At the risk of using a loaded word, I'd call him an Authoritarian Fascist. I'd say wikipedia's definition of a fascist fits his administration's policies reasonably well:

    Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and social interests subordinate to the interests of the state or party. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes. The key attribute is intolerance of others: other religions, languages, political views, economic systems, cultural practices, etc. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, and opposition to political and economic liberalism.
    I agree that the democrats, during Shrub's time in office, have knuckled under in a most pathetic manner. Not all of them, but for the most part, they let him do anything he wanted, and those that did can't be considered noncomplicit - especially when they had the numbers in Congress to put up more of a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Okay, not all, but the vast majority. Your statement was baseless, while mine was based on the indisputable fact that they're authoritarian socialists.
    Just don't post any more of your opinions in this thread, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

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    wolf, did you fail to realize that I didn't claim to be a democrat at all!??

    I DO know where I fall politically, thanks to spending plenty of time studying politics at an unfortunatly conservative university- I may have failed to mention that political science is one of my 3 majors! I'm sorry, but I genuinely AM liberal, and not of the authoritarian stripe (*shudders at the thought of authoritarianism*) I am really quite certain of what I beleive and where that falls!

    Chile is very close to being a first world country, and is known to be the most conservative country in Latin America, and they have elected a socialist single mother to be thier president. Ireland is NOT quite the liberal utopia you seem to think it is- abortions are still illegal there! And why shouldn't we be more open to equality than a third world country?

    I'm sorry if my beleifs disturb you so incredibly much apparently, but I'm merely supporting my opinions on the OP that you felt needed to be criticized! I DO know where I'm coming from on what I'm typing and am not quite the idiot that you seem to think that I am!

    and that would be spitting on both parts magic sponge- I hate coffee as well!
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    Wolf I get the impression from your posts that you dislike women. It's almost as if you think women are beneath you. I will say that is a mighty high platform you've placed yourself on. I would also imagine that it feels pretty lonely up there.
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    Go Ron Paul!

    Too bad libertarians are few and far between...and as such have almost no chance of winning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I DO know where I fall politically, thanks to spending plenty of time studying politics at an unfortunatly conservative university- I may have failed to mention that political science is one of my 3 majors! I'm sorry, but I genuinely AM liberal, and not of the authoritarian stripe (*shudders at the thought of authoritarianism*) I am really quite certain of what I beleive and where that falls!
    Sounds like bogus education to me, considering authoritarianism and liberalism are complete opposites. You can be socialist and authoritarian, but not liberal and authoritarian. "Liberal" in the US is usually used to refer to a mixture of socialist and authoritarian views in the guise of being pro-freedom, when in fact they are the opposite of liberalism (conservatives are more liberal than US "liberals"). There is a distinct difference, and I should know, considering I'm a true liberal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jen View Post
    Wolf I get the impression from your posts that you dislike women. It's almost as if you think women are beneath you. I will say that is a mighty high platform you've placed yourself on. I would also imagine that it feels pretty lonely up there.
    Where did you get that impression? I don't hate them (though I may severely dislike Mrs. Clinton), even though many treat me quite poorly. It's true that I am bitter and lonely, but that won't change and has nothing to do with the topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    Go Ron Paul!

    Too bad libertarians are few and far between...and as such have almost no chance of winning.


    I'm on the local party mailing list for the San Diego area. We have active Ron Paul campaigning going on here.

    In fact, Ron Paul is the only candidate for which I've seen active campaigning in my city thus far. Where I am, based on my drives to/from work and lunch, I would guesstimate that Ron Paul bumper stickers and signs outnumber any other candidate by at least two-to-one.

    If I wasn't busy tomorrow, I might pop by one of the offices to help out with the campaign, since they were asking for help. Might still do that anyway...
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    Wolf- I do beleive you have stepped over the line a bit there.

    I have a good education, and I am aware of that- I am also rather well read and am well aware of what goes on in the world. Would you consider Nelson Mandela to be authoritarian? he was liberal. If you would like a definition of liberal, it simply means in favor of changing the current system- this means that in formerly communist countries, for instance, liberals are what the United States would consider more conservative, while conservatives are hard line communists.

    You COMPLETELY stepped over the line calling my education bogus- I never insulted you and am still trying to refrain from doing so even though I feel that I would be completely justified in being just as impolite as you are. I'm confident enough in myself that I don't feel the necessity in telling you my entire academic experience, though I can tell you that it is more than satisfactory by any standards. Maybe not by yours, but I have a feeling that since I disagree with you nothing that I have done or can say would possibly be considered valid or satisfactory to you.
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