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    I think that taking our current leader seriously makes us look like idiots to the rest of the world!

    and are you forgetting Indira Gandhi? she was to the left if I recall correctly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I think that taking our current leader makes us look like idiots to the rest of the world!

    and are you forgetting Indira Gandhi? she was to the left if I recall correctly!
    I couldn't agree more!
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    Jen!

    being a bit of a poli sci geek here's a short list of liberal females who were/are heads of state

    violeta chamorro (nicaragua)
    chandrika kamaratunga (sri lanka)
    tarja halonen (finland)
    michelle bachelet (chile)
    mary robinson (ireland)

    and let's not forget 2 liberal females who's husbands were former presidents as well!

    mireya moscoso (panama)
    cristina fernandez de kirchner (argentina)

    still not a big fan of hillary clinton (for political reasons! ) but as a liberal female I HAD to counter your argument wolf!
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    Obama and McCain are gonna have a rough time from here on out, because most of the remaining primaries/caucuses don't allow independents to vote.
    Which is frankly, total bullshit! :steam:

    Pure Democrats favor Hillary, and pure Republicans want a handful of guys other than McCain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
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    being a bit of a poli sci geek here's a short list of liberal females who were/are heads of state

    Oh?
    Maybe we can have some coffee over that subject.
    Just expect a lot of spitting, since I hate coffee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I think that taking our current leader makes us look like idiots to the rest of the world!

    and are you forgetting Indira Gandhi? she was to the left if I recall correctly!
    First world countries.

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    still not a big fan of hillary clinton (for political reasons! ) but as a liberal female I HAD to counter your argument wolf!
    I see two radically-socialist first-world countries that are not considered world powers.

    Also, if you're in the US, you're probably not a liberal. All the people in the US that claim they are liberals are somewhere between authoritarian socialists and totalitarian socialists. I'm always impressed by a democrat that knows they are a socialist rather than a liberal, because it means they're intelligent in their choice.
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    Someone needs to hook a generator or dryer up to Wolf, we can't let all that hot air go to waste.

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    It's funny - back in 2000, when the only remaining candidates were McCain, Bradley, Gore, and Bush, I would have been happy to vote for McCain. His position on campaign finance reform was what drew me to him. Bush, of course, was my "absolute last drop-dead, I'll never for for this asshole-he'd be a horrible president" candidate (and how wrong I was - he was much worse than I anticipated). So I voted for Gore, pretty much by default - I actually like him more now than I did then. Too bad I'm not on the supreme court, eh?

    This time, I won't be voting for any of the Republican candidates. I'd hesitate to call myself a democrat (I'm certainly not registered as one), but I can't in good conscience support any Republican this time around. Even if they all didn't have major flaws. Guiliani (you may know him as "Gui-9/11-li-9/11-ani") and Huckabee are the absolute bottom of the barrel for me. I find the idea that either of them are even being considered frightening.

    Having said that, I can't really get too excited about Obama and Hilary, either. I need to learn more about Obama, but Hilary's striking me as the "big money democrat", which isn't who I'm looking to vote for. I'd *like* to vote for Kucinich or Edwards (yeah, I'm liberal), but don't expect that I'll get the chance. So at this point it's probably going to be Obama by default. Truth be told though, I live in a "battleground" state, so although I'll vote for the candidate of my choice in a primary (assuming an independent is allowed to here - I'm not sure yet), I'm sure I'll wind up voting for whoever the democrats choose, even if not optimal.

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    Well, I'm totally a Socialist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Obama and McCain are gonna have a rough time from here on out, because most of the remaining primaries/caucuses don't allow independents to vote.
    Which is frankly, total bullshit! :steam:

    Pure Democrats favor Hillary, and pure Republicans want a handful of guys other than McCain.
    Ours does, or at least the democratic and american independent parties do (I'm in California).

    I don't believe McCain has a shot. He just had an early win and will probably not see it return. He isn't going to make it, he's just too closely attached to this administration (which even republicans dislike), over-the-top, and narrowly-attractive. He also has a record that makes him look bad. Basically, you couldn't choose a much worse candidate. Huckabee has something and I'm hopeful that he will get the nod, if only to see him champion real change before the population for the duration of the campaign. He might even have a shot. I'd say it's really the only way to pull it off, and the rest just don't have anything like that. You need something radical and to champion change, not the business-as-usual that the big money candidates offer. The boring oldschool people are probably not going to make it, and if Hillary makes it on the democratic ticket (it's still a toss-up in my mind, but I think Obama will eventually get the nod), there's a good chance of ship-jumping due to opposing her much like the ship jumping due to opposing Shrub.
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