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    Quote Originally Posted by sunyata View Post
    What I loathe is that the religious unwarrantedly gain something I so fondly regard - comprehension.
    You know, this thread is making me feel rather privileged in that I've never -- *knock on wood* -- directly talked to anyone in person who was like "You're an atheist? What's wrong with you?! I don't even"

    So anyhow, what's it like to meet someone who just doesn't get atheism? What sort of things did they say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Hardly tangential. This thread is about atheists and why some people dislike them. Using the levers of government to persecute Christian business owners figures prominently, imho, into why some people dislike them.
    Ah, so you're saying that people are prone to conflating atheism with liberalism. If you had said it like this to begin with, it wouldn't have come off as "And oh, btw, liberals are dicks too."

    Anyhow, you've brought up another interesting quirk of religious perception, which Lark has helpfully demonstrated:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    What about Christians? An obvious minority you've left out there.
    Some Christians insist on seeing themselves as a persecuted minority, despite Christianity being the world's religion of plurality, as well as the numerical and political majority of most western nations. I wonder if, say, the Muslims in the middle east or the Hindus in India share this martyr complex whenever someone dares to suggest that they don't get special exemptions from the law, or if the martyr complex is mostly a Christian thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Passacaglia
    Ah, so you're saying that people are prone to conflating atheism with liberalism.
    Commonly referred to as secular progressives.

    If you had said it like this to begin with, it wouldn't have come off as "And oh, btw, liberals are dicks too."
    About 90% overlap, so essentially the same crowd. I doubt the 60% of people who don't feel warmly towards atheists have Ayn Rand in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Inexcusable for someone who claims to be so knowledgeable. It is well established that Americans, in general, do not trust atheists. It's one of the reasons why we have an informal religious test for public office.

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    No, 20th century ideological genocides are not the reason why. The real reason is much more complex and personal than that. There's the absurd notion that morality comes only from God, which means that atheists have no morals. There's also the subject addressed in the video below. And this is just scratching the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passacaglia View Post
    Some Christians insist on seeing themselves as a persecuted minority, despite Christianity being the world's religion of plurality, as well as the numerical and political majority of most western nations. I wonder if, say, the Muslims in the middle east or the Hindus in India share this martyr complex whenever someone dares to suggest that they don't get special exemptions from the law, or if the martyr complex is mostly a Christian thing?
    This is persecution of Christians, not requiring them to do business with all law-abiding folks in a pluralistic society.
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    Atheists: Most Self important minority in America?

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    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I also left out Muslims, native Americans, people with ADHD, lefties, and a whole host of other groups. I hope you didn't consider my list to be all-inclusive. I would not include "people who want to discriminate", though. If anything, these are the only folks the law should sanction, whoever they are, and unless their reasons for discriminating have some basis in objective reality (e.g. not giving Pap tests to men).
    I dont like indiscriminate people, they make really lousy choices.

    I was mentioning a group who are not usually considered when the list of put upon are casually deployed. To be honest I dont like the victim mentality when its anyone or any group, I dont like groupthink either, I especially dont like people who have no direct experience of persecution advocating for others which they believe are experiencing it either, some people make careers that way and I think that is positively corrupting and damaging, to the people doing it and to the people doing it on their behalf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    I most often see this as an important message for jews to other jews.

    There's a small state in the middle east which needed atrocities committed against that community for its foundation and needs that to be an on going thing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post

    There's a small state in the middle east which needed atrocities committed against that community for its foundation and needs that to be an on going thing too.
    Not following you here. If you expect me to support various Israeli policies or actions, I'm not going to do that. I'm also not going to issue an apology for it's creation, either, though.

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    Fact was, the rest of the world didn't give a shit during WWII. Where else would they have gone?
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