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    To clarify, I don't think understanding between religions is the ONLY barrier to peace. Even if people learned to rise above their religious views, there are certainly other issues to fight over. I simply think religious differences is ONE of the factors that preventing peace.
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    "The bible and the church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of woman's emancipation" Elizabeth Cady Stanton (1815-1902)
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    "Half the people in the world think that the metaphors of their religious traditions, for example, are facts. And the other half contends that they are not facts at all. As a result we have people who consider themselves believers because they accept metaphors as facts, and we have others who classify themselves as atheists because they think religious metaphors are lies.” Joseph Campbell

    Lark wrote, "There will be no peace among the nations without peace among the religions. There will be no peace among the religions without dialogue among the religions." - Küng speaking on global ethic

    In reply: “Those who praise their own doctrines and disparage the doctrines of others do not solve any problem.” Jinism Sutrakritanga 1.1.50
    "The death of dogma is the birth of morality." Kant
    Personally; We must be able to use and learn critical thinking skills and take no dogma whether religious or political. The truth is within us. No man is a god no matter his credentials. Nor, is any religious text infallible. Humans wrote all religious texts, and humans are fallible. Learn to think for yourself. This and hearing the feedback of others will help us grow. This instead of being stuck in dogma that on one hand has universal truths, but yet at the same time is behind the times.
    Without critical thinking and questioning we can no move forward. Though each religion should have respect on other people's beliefs. Let each live according to his creed, as long as he does not infringe upon the right's of others. Problem is with religion it is taken literally and everyone is sure there way is the correct way. It is ignorance and folly.

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    Historically peace among nations comes when one conquers the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Historically peace among nations comes when one conquers the rest.
    A shrewd politician can buy time with careful words and a modest allocation of resources as well, but I do not dispute your point. As long as you aren't at ground zero of the assimilation, the process is relatively painless. The worst possible scenario is when two equally matched powers can attain no victory, but devote everything into the competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Historically peace among nations comes when one conquers the rest.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    A shrewd politician can buy time with careful words and a modest allocation of resources as well, but I do not dispute your point. As long as you aren't at ground zero of the assimilation, the process is relatively painless. The worst possible scenario is when two equally matched powers can attain no victory, but devote everything into the competition.
    That's not entirely accurate. First, its never happened. Second, even if there were a hegemon, there would still likely be internal (guerrilla) wars.

    More effective than conquering the rest is having a balance of power, where it is too risky for any state to wage war against another. As a very loose example think the USA vs USSR. Both were afraid of retaliation against a strike, in addition to the excruciating pain of the attrition of war.

    States respect power.

    Think Jim Croce: "You don't pull on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask off the ol' Lone Ranger, and you don't mess around with Jim."

    This is assuming of course that the state with power has the political will to use it, or at least that other states believe so .
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    A balance of power is still dependent on a skilled acrobat. No one can teeter on the edge forever. I'm quite happy that the spirit of productivity and bold leaps into the future won out over war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    A balance of power is still dependent on a skilled acrobat. No one can teeter on the edge forever.
    Quite so, as WWI and the fall of the USSR show. However, 1945- without a big war between major players is a big deal, and a credit to balance. Still, there are always reasons to fight. The Clinton years saw the most amount of small scale interventions than just about any president, even though the US didn't have to fight a contender for supremacy.
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    Small scale interventions are just a clever way of outsourcing the casualties. A questionable practice, but arguably in the best interest of the constituents that leaders vow to protect. If war is inevitable, we can at least make sure that someone else is bearing the burden. If it isn't, then we still have a great deal to learn. I would even go so far as to say that we can learn a lot from this past century alone, but that assertion may be one born of complete arrogance and a narrow world view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Small scale interventions are just a clever way of outsourcing the casualties. A questionable practice, but arguably in the best interest of the constituents that leaders vow to protect. If war is inevitable, we can at least make sure that someone else is bearing the burden. If it isn't, then we still have a great deal to learn. I would even go so far as to say that we can learn a lot from this past century alone, but that assertion may be one born of complete arrogance and a narrow world view.
    I am pro-intervention.
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    Guys I think that the interventions by Clinton where, as on going campaigns are, a means of creating veteran corps of troops and demonstrating war fighting capacity to other players on the world stage.

    I dont believe that hostilities ended in 1989, any pretence to socialism did, there was maybe an interlude but then it was business as usual, the difference is that most of it is underground or part of the unreported world now.

    The Russians have tried to reinvent themselves with the new ideology which appeals as much as socialism did in its day, anti-terrorism, there's spy games being played, threats fomented and the whistle blowers who made it to Britain where assasinated.

    Add to that what I think are proxy struggles and third world states which are willing to use "useful idiots" in the west to carry out attacks for them and its peace but not peace.

    On the other hand I think there's hope, if you consider the fact that no one honestly believed federalism in the US would endure it shows that the federal principle can work.

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