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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentMind View Post
    Sterility, to me, seems like a bonus to go with free drugs. Safety is alluring and will cause addicts to feel more comfortable using. I don't see how this is not going to feed addictions unless these hospitals institute some kind of mandatory recovery session that these users must attend.
    Free drugs aren't a good way to break the cycle of addiction, no. Sterility is a HUGE positive, though. Addicts don't feel uncomfortable at all using now. They feel uncomfortable kicking. If you think that government opprobrium matters to drug addicts (outside of the fact that they could be arrested for simple possession at any time), you do not understand the nature of addiction.


    I think differently. Removing the stigma of criminality will only offer more comfort for drug addicts. It will make it easier to do drugs; it will remove many of those negative incentives.
    Negative incentives like AIDS, Hepatitis B, and being beaten, raped, forced into theft or prostitution, or arrested at any time. Those are negatives we should be removing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    My bet is that you - and those like you - do not actually care at all for the welfare of heroin users. You posture about the evils of addiction - but the outcomes that are generated at government policy level, on behalf of people like you, simply generate lose-lose scenarios, with the heroin users invariably coming off worse.
    I care about the welfare of the people these users will affect. Therefore, I care about these users. I have not even stated a real opinion on anything so far but I appreciate your opinion on my unsaid opinion. It's really cool, bro.

    If you had bothered to to read the clinical study posted, it would have answered your question, at least within the limits of the study's remit. You never bothered your shirt, did you?

    It's a pity you prefer a soundbite to documented medical research. Your mind is not as magnificent as you seem to think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentMind View Post
    I care about the welfare of the people these users will affect. Therefore, I care about these users. I have not even stated a real opinion on anything so far but I appreciate your opinion on my unsaid opinion. It's really cool, bro.
    What other people are being affected, other than the taxpayers who will foot the bill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentMind View Post
    Sterility, to me, seems like a bonus to go with free drugs. Safety is alluring and will cause addicts to feel more comfortable using. I don't see how this is not going to feed addictions unless these hospitals institute some kind of mandatory recovery session that these users must attend.



    I think differently. Removing the stigma of criminality will only offer more comfort for drug addicts. It will make it easier to do drugs; it will remove many of those negative incentives.
    You know what's a bigger incentive than all of this? Not being dope sick.

    Once you're in that phase, it's gonna take a lot more than physical pain to keep you from using.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Free drugs aren't a good way to break the cycle of addiction, no. Sterility is a HUGE positive, though. Addicts don't feel uncomfortable at all using now. They feel uncomfortable kicking. If you think that government opprobrium matters to drug addicts (outside of the fact that they could be arrested for simple possession at any time), you do not understand the nature of addiction.
    I don't really understand this paragraph.

    Negative incentives like AIDS, Hepatitis B, and being beaten, raped, forced into theft or prostitution, or arrested at any time. Those are negatives we should be removing.
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    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentMind View Post
    I don't really understand this paragraph.
    People won't do more drugs if they are sterile. They'll do what they otherwise would have done, and the effects will be less deleterious.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    What other people are being affected, other than the taxpayers who will foot the bill?
    That's one. Keep thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    People won't do more drugs if they are sterile. They'll do what they otherwise would have done, and the effects will be less deleterious.
    They will do less drugs because they are sterile?
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    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentMind View Post
    They will do less drugs because they are sterile?
    "People won't do more drugs if they are sterile. They'll do what they otherwise would have done, and the effects will be less deleterious."

    I thought that was pretty clear. They'll do the same amount of drugs they always did, but they won't have to steal or walk the streets for money, and they won't be getting sick nearly as often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentMind View Post
    That's one. Keep thinking.
    What else?
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