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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    ...are they really so different?
    I don't think there is any clear answer which is right. No matter how thin you slice it there is always two sides. It is more an angle of attack question than a this or that.

    I see improvement as a mastery orientation which to me is more important to me than a success orientation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    I don't think there is any clear answer which is right. No matter how thin you slice it there is always two sides. It is more an angle of attack question than a this or that.

    I see improvement as a mastery orientation which to me is more important to me than a success orientation.
    yeah, i know. it's kinda obvious in your first post, lol

    i think they're both important and they don't have to be mutually exclusive.

    i would aim for optimization of both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    yeah, i know. it's kinda obvious in your first post, lol

    i think they're both important and they don't have to be mutually exclusive.

    i would aim for optimization of both.
    Hah! Clear as mud, that first post. I think people tend to have an angle that suits them. I have been more motivated by improvement for as long as I can remember.

    Yeah, optimization. I think it really helps to get clear on the angle you like.

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    Success tends to be a byproduct of my self-improvement. Thus, I value improvement more.



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    I wonder what the real difference is and if there is how the different angle leads to different behaviour.Does it boil down to an outcome or a process orientation?

    Success

    1. The achievement of one's aim or goal.

    His third attempt to pass the entrance exam was a success.


    2. (business) financial profitability.

    3. One who, or that which, achieves assumed goals.

    Scholastically, he was a success.
    The new range of toys has been a resounding success.



    Improvement


    1. The act of improving; advancement or growth; promotion in desirable qualities; progress toward what is better; melioration; as, the improvement of the mind, of land, roads, etc.

    2. The act of making profitable use or application of anything, or the state of being profitably employed; a turning to good account; practical application, as of a doctrine, principle, or theory, stated in a discourse.


    3. The state of being improved; betterment; advance; also, that which is improved; as, the new edition is an improvement on the old.

    4. Increase; growth; progress; advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky is BLUE! View Post
    I tend to view improvement as success
    YES. Exactly what I was going to say. Most of my personal goals are somewhat qualitative anyway, so sometimes the only way to measure success is to look at overall 'improvement'.
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    I voted success, but in truth I think both have about equal importance.
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    Improvement. It will pay off.

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    It seems like you aren't using "success" in the normal way.
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    Success

    1. The achievement of one's aim or goal.
    Your blacksmith can definitely have the goal of having very high quality work and consider it a success even if it isn't profitable. Your football coach could consider himself a success if he helps kids stay away from gangs, even if they don't win any games. Depends on the goals.

    Are you actually asking whether the quality of your work is more important or the separate, end result you get from that work? Intrinsic vs. extrinsic rewards? That's not the same thing at all as your original question, as "improvement" vs "success" as they are typically defined.

    It's clear which one is more important to you since your definitions are biased.
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    I had a very difficult time answering this question, as for me, success and improvement are inseparable. In other words, all improvement leads to success, by definition.

    If an activity does not lead to personal success, then you are not improving yourself through the activity.

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    That said, I measure success by personal benchmarks (like the first blacksmith), not by society's benchmarks, and so I suppose I fit your "improvement" archetype.

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