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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    You can chalk that up to being a Dem reading a Paleocon article.
    the Dems are pussies, my good sir... I would hunt the Paleocon and place it in a museum next to the pteradactyls... as Indiana Jones always tells us, some things BELONG in museums

    and I had no problem opening the link...
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    and I had no problem opening the link...
    A fact attributable to your superior intellect, quality education, and favorable political connections, no doubt.

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    not because I clicked first?

    damn... I didn't know that I had superior political connections and such... I guess I should be out exploiting them or something
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I thought the author committed some fallacies in this piece, but was nevertheless onto a significant truth... I agree with his general premise that the primary political division in this country is not between right and left, but between the rulers and the ruled. Truly, Michael Steele and Hillary Clinton have much more in common with one another than either of them have in common with you or me.
    I agree with that, in any society but the politicians will ultimately be only the servators of the 1% or a similar constitutency like the military-industrial complex.

    I know its not the popular view in the US and I suspect you are thinking market libertrian in making that observation rather than class war.

    The reality is that in a society where political sovereignty is exercised only occasionally, if ever or even then, popular sovereignty is pretty much limited to elections and economic sovereignty limited to passively consuming or working, never planning, all democracy is ever going to be is a form of dynastic rule reborn.

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    The coasts (particularly the East) are hegemonic, the interior, subaltern. People of the coastal cultures, as inheritors of hegemonic culture, as well as those who adopted it, tend to be the "rulers" as mentioned here. People of the interior cultures, inheritors of a subaltern culture, tend to be the "ruled". The easiest way of seeing this is to simply look at the various stereotypes associated with regional accents.

    All of this comes as no surprise, because the victory of the North in the Civil War dictated that we would hitch our economic wagon to the star of oceanic trade and commerce. The rulers are those whose cultural background allows them to understand the mores of such a social arrangement, while the ruled are those whose cultural background are incompatible with it. In other words, coasts versus interior.

    The exceptions to this rule, cities like Chicago and Atlanta, are the ones who used the railroads to make their interior cities function like coastal cities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Truly, Michael Steele and Hillary Clinton have much more in common with one another than either of them have in common with you or me.

    What would happen if they openly admitted it? Hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbone View Post
    OMG--Yes! I can't see them except as people that are determined to get the largest piece of pie for them and theirs.
    What would happen if they openly admitted it? Hmmm.
    I would say that conservatives or libertarians could very well do this and be applauded for it, particularly if they combined it with some vague attack on liberal or socialist attacks on selfishness, materialism etc.

    Its more problematic being on the left of the political spectrum which still has a lot of people who are uncomfortable admitting they have needs of their own or the legitimacy of self interest because they associate those things with the corruption or capitalism they oppose.

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    Hate to break it to ya, but I started this very same thread here a day ago, Oberon:

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...ing-class.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I would say that conservatives or libertarians could very well do this and be applauded for it, particularly if they combined it with some vague attack on liberal or socialist attacks on selfishness, materialism etc.

    Its more problematic being on the left of the political spectrum which still has a lot of people who are uncomfortable admitting they have needs of their own or the legitimacy of self interest because they associate those things with the corruption or capitalism they oppose.
    My dad always said that he could respect conservatives more because they weren't trying to really hide their agenda like the left.

    It does stun me when people really believe that either side has their best interest in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    The coasts (particularly the East) are hegemonic, the interior, subaltern. People of the coastal cultures, as inheritors of hegemonic culture, as well as those who adopted it, tend to be the "rulers" as mentioned here. People of the interior cultures, inheritors of a subaltern culture, tend to be the "ruled". The easiest way of seeing this is to simply look at the various stereotypes associated with regional accents.

    All of this comes as no surprise, because the victory of the North in the Civil War dictated that we would hitch our economic wagon to the star of oceanic trade and commerce. The rulers are those whose cultural background allows them to understand the mores of such a social arrangement, while the ruled are those whose cultural background are incompatible with it. In other words, coasts versus interior.

    The exceptions to this rule, cities like Chicago and Atlanta, are the ones who used the railroads to make their interior cities function like coastal cities.
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