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    I tend to take the perspective of Plato who remarked that a philosopher(or intellectual) is somebody who ponders more deeply upon matters that effect everyman. He's not detached from everyday reality, but seeks to understand it more deeply.

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    I'm sort of interested in the fact that both left and right, I mean in the classical sense as responses to both industrialism and political revolution in France and America (though mainly france) shared an objection to the specialisation or proto-taylorism which it ushered in.

    Although it seems like with Burke and Schumpeter they articulated it better and where pretty precise, the individual who existed to or by contemplating social structure with a sense of grievance (or hope, which seems to have been equally objectionable, though mainly grievance), they really didnt like them, saw them as the bastard child of prosperity.

    While the left I dont think have thought of intellectuals as anything other than part of an elite really, at least rhetorically, any time intellectuals or intellectualism is praised, except perhaps in Satre (who is a kind of intellectual I do dislike, in contrast with Orwell or Camus), its prefixed somehow with "dissident" or "rogue" or something.

    On the other hand there was a similar undercurrent in the reformation, the dichotomy of people/public/layman vs. clerical/scholastic.

    I do think it is just one of those prejorative words, which isnt really good since I'd hope that learning, philosophy, thinking dont become prejoratively labelled too, they are associated. On the other hand the "good, bad, the ugly" debates around the label or station are thought provoking.

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    They get a bad rap, with all those psuedo-intellects running around. I dont down it, and I don't dig it, either. It is what it is.

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    The thing about that... when the Village People sang "We want you... we want you... we want you as a new recruit!"...

    ...they were NOT kidding.

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    What, like, they wanted Lark kitted up as an overweight red injun - or moustachiod traffic cop?

    Or an intellectual Village Person. Dandied up to eyeballs in rubba?

    ...I got the song!

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    hilarious

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    Funny, how?



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    Intellectuals: they're pretty much what holy priests in the Church hierarchy were in the Dark Ages -- haters of wealth and power, champions of all causes otherworldly.

    The difference is that modern priests, ahem, intellectuals, see businessmen making all of today's world-changing decisions, and are thus alienated from their own society, since it is horizontal, rather than vertical. A medieval priest, in contrast, loved his Dark Age society. As a result, intellectuals are almost always revolutionary, seeking to change their society into a regulated, unchanging penal camp, with the benighted serfs controlled by intellectuals-- for the mystical Common Good, of course.

    This is also why intellectuals routinely praise tyranny, from the USSR to Venezuela under Chavez. Actors, journalists, academics, aren't blind to what they saw or see in these societies, oh no. They see their own kind in power, from propaganda to planning to marshalling resources, and they like it.

    So yeah, intellectuals are a cancer. Don't take Brainy Smurf seriously; it is better to chuck him out of the commune than attempt to implement anything he recommends.

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    Smile Our First Intellectual, Socrates.

    Quote Originally Posted by JHBowden View Post
    Intellectuals: they're pretty much what holy priests in the Church hierarchy were in the Dark Ages -- haters of wealth and power, champions of all causes otherworldly.

    The difference is that modern priests, ahem, intellectuals, see businessmen making all of today's world-changing decisions, and are thus alienated from their own society, since it is horizontal, rather than vertical. A medieval priest, in contrast, loved his Dark Age society. As a result, intellectuals are almost always revolutionary, seeking to change their society into a regulated, unchanging penal camp, with the benighted serfs controlled by intellectuals-- for the mystical Common Good, of course.

    This is also why intellectuals routinely praise tyranny, from the USSR to Venezuela under Chavez. Actors, journalists, academics, aren't blind to what they saw or see in these societies, oh no. They see their own kind in power, from propaganda to planning to marshalling resources, and they like it.

    So yeah, intellectuals are a cancer. Don't take Brainy Smurf seriously; it is better to chuck him out of the commune than attempt to implement anything he recommends.
    How right you are.

    And the good Burghers (businessmen) of Athens are right behind you.

    The good Burghers of Athens knew just how to treat our first intellectual, Socrates.

    And just as you recognise intellectuals are a cancer today, so the good Burghers recognised Socrates was a cancer two and a half thousand years ago. And so naturally they cut him from the body of Athens.

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

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