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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    No one in particular springs to mind... :rolli:
    I spring to mind, actually.

    [stands]

    My name is Oberon, and I am a recovering intellectual. I have been free of useless argumentation and self-righteous sophistry for... uh... two days or so.

    [sits]

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    It has been 2 days since my last weighty tome. /sits down

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I spring to mind, actually.

    [stands]

    My name is Oberon, and I am a recovering intellectual. I have been free of useless argumentation and self-righteous sophistry for... uh... two days or so.

    [sits]
    Yeah, like THAT is going to last.



    My opinion isn't much different from what has been suggested. Actually, I find that well-adjusted intellects tend to not focus as much on the fact that they are intellectuals; they don't need to identify themselves in that manner in order to be secure with themselves. They already know they're smart, and they've got other things going for them.

    Self-proclaimed intellectuals tend to be using it as a crutch to avoid dealing with more personal realms of life.
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    It seems to be a word which can only really be used in a prejorative sense now.

    I remember first reading it in the Diary of Adrian Mole, I didnt know what it meant back then, its typified pretty differently depending on who you ask too, Chomsky things America has failed to produce any, at least the ones it has he feels have failed in a duty to be critical of the status quo and Chomsky's critics have responded by calling him "the most important intellectual alive" and its clearly no compliment.

    Gramsci's got a different view on it too but its hard to know given that so much of his views are presented in second hand sources, at least so far as I've read them.

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    Black and White makes one retarded, and unintellectual. ;P

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    I think if you consider yourself an intellectual, you likely are not an intellectual.

    Me? I'm a moron who happens to know a few useful things.

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    Good and evil ... That's way too general. Are workers / farmers / people in the service industry good or evil?

    Some intellectuals contribue things to society that are invaluable. Some of them of course are a waste of time, money, and lots of paper.
    They're a very very small group at any rate, so if they are valuable, even a very few will make a distinction. If they're not - well, not much of a waste.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    It seems to be a word which can only really be used in a prejorative sense now.
    That might be a language thing, honestly. To me, 'intellectual' itself doesn't has a negative ring to it by itself. What about the 'distinguished intellectual'?

    Some people might think they're elitist or something, but honestly, that's more with them than with the people they're referring to.
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    It's simple. Intellectuals love thinking. And they love other intellectuals.

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    Stop! It looks like you guys are talking about two totally different things at once:

    This is what the source of "truthiness" says:

    ‘Intellectual’ can denote three types of persons:

    1. A man or woman involved in, and with, abstract, erudite ideas and theories.
    2. A person whose profession (science, medicine, literature) solely involves the production and dissemination of ideas.[1]
    3. A person of notable cultural and artistic expertise whose knowledge grants him or her intellectual authority in public discourse.

    1. is what many people here claim to be.
    2. Is somebody the Khmer Rouge would kill or send to work in the harvest (this is the type meant in classic socialist doctrine).
    3. Is what Chomsky must have refered to and can be called himself.

    One of my old school teachers used to define an intellecual as a professional thinker who only lived to think (not teach or research, etc) and fulfilleed an important public role. He as a teacher therefor could not be an intellectual. An intellectual, according to him, would have to be an author or a university professor with a lot of publications.

    The criticism in the OP is directed at 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Stop! It looks like you guys are talking about two totally different things at once:

    This is what the source of "truthiness" says:

    ‘Intellectual’ can denote three types of persons:

    1. A man or woman involved in, and with, abstract, erudite ideas and theories.
    2. A person whose profession (science, medicine, literature) solely involves the production and dissemination of ideas.[1]
    3. A person of notable cultural and artistic expertise whose knowledge grants him or her intellectual authority in public discourse.

    1. is what many people here claim to be.
    2. Is somebody the Khmer Rouge would kill or send to work in the harvest (this is the type meant in classic socialist doctrine).
    3. Is what Chomsky must have refered to and can be called himself.

    One of my old school teachers used to define an intellecual as a professional thinker who only lived to think (not teach or research, etc) and fulfilleed an important public role. He as a teacher therefor could not be an intellectual. An intellectual, according to him, would have to be an author or a university professor with a lot of publications.

    The criticism in the OP is directed at 3.
    What do you think the Water Rat would think of this? And I hesitate to even think what Badger would say.

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