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    Thumbs down The Victoria Police and MBTI

    The cultists are trying to force MBTI on the Police in the State of Victoria, Australia.

    They are forcing MBTI on Victorian Police to find out in advance who might leak information to the Press.

    The Victorian Police Union is resisting, as well they might, for MBTI is a fake personality test, unacceptable to any University, and on which no random double blind test has been done in seventy years.

    And further more, MBTI serves the interests of the USA Military and USA Business.

    MBTI is anti-Australian, anti-intellectual, certainly anti-union and the Victorian Police Union is right in resisting this foreign imposition.

    We can do no more than support them.
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    Link pls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Link pls
    It's in, "The Australian", newspaper today. You can read all about it if you wish.

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    Anti-Australian? Interesting. How do you mean?

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    Interesting, I'm curious as to exactly how one would propose to know someone's values and potential ability to leak confidential information based on their MBTI.

    "Whether that is effective at screening out people who might have a propensity to leak or not, I'm not sure"

    Gee, ya think?!? Screening people based on their MBTI for a position of police officer is absurd.



    For those who want to read the article.

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    Australians unite against Myers-Briggs Type Indicator!!!!

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    this is crazy. you can just imagine the sort of wanky HR consultants they engaged to dream up such an idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddy View Post
    Anti-Australian? Interesting. How do you mean?
    It's a common mistake to imitate the superficial aspects of another culture, particularly if that culture has had the largest economy in the world for more than one hundred years and remains the country with the largest economy in the world today.

    In fact imitating the superficial aspects of such a culture is a form of cargo cult.

    And imitating the superficial aspects without understanding the underlying values makes us absurd and ridiculous.

    And the fact is that the USA was founded by a cult and since then cults have proliferated by the thousand in the USA, in particular because they have close ties with business. For heaven sake, they advertise it, for on their dollar they write in large letters, "In God We Trust".

    On the other hand Australia was not founded by a religious cult, but by the Scottish and English Enlightenment.

    The deepest value in the USA is faith and they won't elect a President without it. Whereas our deepest value is reason and the greatest good for the greatest number.

    So Australia will grow, develop and succeed if we are true to our own values.

    And MBTI is another USA cult inextricably linked to the USA military and USA business, and embodying USA values.

    Australia's values are different and better than the USA, and Psychology Departments in any Australian University will be able to give you a valid and reliable personality test, if you so wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberries View Post
    this is crazy. you can just imagine the sort of wanky HR consultants they engaged to dream up such an idea.
    Of course this is part of politics within the Victorian Police.

    For some time we have been watching this political drama play out, and one part of the Victorian Police is politically attacking another part of the Victorian Police using MBTI as a political weapon.

    But the Police Union handled the attack very well, turning it back laconically on the perpetrators.

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    Congratulations Victor, finally you come up with some relevant evidence to substantiate your opinion on the potential dangers of Mbti. (Even if you with great consideration returned a vague answer when Trinity asked for a link, so she had to find it herself, thanks from me for that thoughTrin.)

    Now, if you can go back and provide a similar evidential basis for another 5,958 posts (or thereabouts), you are going to start to sound quite convincing on this topic, you know!

    Anyway, trying to link Mbti characteristics to a propensity to leak information is nonsense (though it does remind me of some of the stereotypes that crop up on this site from time to time). Mbti at most indicates strongest cognitive characteristics, which in turn may indicate preferences and aptitudes, but not behaviour.

    They might get some vague, but hardly conclusive, indication from a test that focuses more on behavioral characteristics, like one of the "Professionally Administered" pyschometric tests that Victor is so keen on. If they really fancy their chances at predicting in advance who's going to let them down, they could try the NEO personality inventory (from which the Big 5 is derived, or the Big 5 iteself), or somesuch. It might have some faint possibility of indicating what they actually need to know. I can think of better ways to deal with the problem though, try this:

    Better yet, they could try establishing a better working culture in which mutual trust and high professional standards engender loyalty, conscientiousness, and service to a policing ideal. I suspect that it's much easier and cheaper, therefore more appealing to the jokers in charge, to fondly imagine the problem comes entirely from outside, and they can root out the bad apples in advance with one simple test that identifies the flaws in people's characters - rather than taking a long hard look at their own organisation and seeing how it may foster unprofessional conduct and be in need of reorganisation. I suspect that the latter is the true disease here, which they are attempting to suppress the symptoms of with the quick-fix cure of psychological testing. Probably they're scared that an operation might hurt. Their avoidance of the issue is quite likely an indication of the severity of the true disease...
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