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    Default Is it possible to have subcultures anymore?

    Is it possible for there to be subcultures anymore? If you think about it in the age when, possibly more accurately labelled, youth cultures where labelled as sub-cultures there was an over arcing mono-culture to which the majority of the population more or less conformed or aspired to or where expected to.

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    In my view, society has been fragmenting into tribes AKA subcultures exacerbated by the rise of the 'Net for the last twenty years (and it's getting worse and worse as groups start fighting with each other), so I'm not sure what you mean.

    Unless you're saying basically that it's not that subcultures don't exist, but that there is no umbella culture that encompasses them all. So they are no longer connected, they're ALL small cultures of their own.
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    Jennifer pretty much hit the nail on the head. We've gotten to a point where the world has gotten so small that any sort of over-arching culture seems impossible to create.

    Unless you want to consider the internet a culture. And the clans of "Anonymous" would like to think they are, and that 4Chan is some sort of meaningful collection of people that can impact the world simply because they went to a Scientology gathering.

    It's not.

    There's too much diversity too choose much. We are freely capable of accessing anything we want, whenever we want, and wherever we want. People don't need to be band together under a common banner anymore.

    But looking at it another way, "sub-cultures" are basically just cultures of their own now. They'll never have the huge impact of past cultures, such as the hippies, the punk movement, etc., but they don't really need to. They're just people with similar interests enjoying each other's company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    In my view, society has been fragmenting into tribes AKA subcultures exacerbated by the rise of the 'Net for the last twenty years (and it's getting worse and worse as groups start fighting with each other), so I'm not sure what you mean.

    Unless you're saying basically that it's not that subcultures don't exist, but that there is no umbella culture that encompasses them all. So they are no longer connected, they're ALL small cultures of their own.
    Its not a question of legitimacy of the cultures, I wouldnt describe them as subcultures so much any more as cultures or maybe "scenes", I was listening to a historian talking about subcultures and how they where categorised as such because of the over arcing culture, I'm not sure it exists so much anymore.

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    We have microcultures now. Thankfully, due to globalization and the rapid movement of people, goods, and information, one can pick up or put down just about anything these days. Individual choice has relegated the overarching culture to the backseat.
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    I agree with what everyone has already said about the internet and subcultures becoming the only culture.

    The last vestiges of the monolithic popular culture are on life-support (MSM, music industries, newspapers, broadcast television, etc).

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    Once again, i am reminded of the conglomerate counter culture fest that is... HIPSTER!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    Once again, i am reminded of the conglomerate counter culture fest that is... HIPSTER!

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    Honestly you guys, I think society and culture if anything, has become MORE homogenized, lol.

    Or at least, maybe not at face value, but I think in terms of beliefs and everything, I don't really see appreciation for differences. I mean shit, I had to move to a large city just to find culture; whereas everywhere else is just like bars and churches, almost literally. It's like, you're expected to be a beer guzzling bible-thumping sports fan.

    I guess the subcultures that do exist have become a bit stronger, and bit more fleshed out due to the internet I think. But it is only in the city where I have experienced real culture. Seriously, I look at this thread and I think "what the fuck are you guys talking about?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackout View Post
    Honestly you guys, I think society and culture if anything, has become MORE homogenized, lol.

    Or at least, maybe not at face value, but I think in terms of beliefs and everything, I don't really see appreciation for differences. I mean shit, I had to move to a large city just to find culture; whereas everywhere else is just like bars and churches, almost literally. It's like, you're expected to be a beer guzzling bible-thumping sports fan.

    I guess the subcultures that do exist have become a bit stronger, and bit more fleshed out due to the internet I think. But it is only in the city where I have experienced real culture. Seriously, I look at this thread and I think "what the fuck are you guys talking about?"
    I was suggesting that because there's no universally agreed upon mainstream culture, at least not a conscious one that anyone is going to defend or consider defensible, that its harder to establish a sub-culture or counter culture.

    The so called "outsider" or alt cultures of yester year are the mainstream now and what was the mainstream is either gone, disappeared and disowned or been resurrected zombi like by a select few, in their own image, if you ask me as opposed to what it was likely really like.

    What did you think posters were talking about?

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