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    From that brief article, I would say that he shows virtually no understanding of the War in Afghanistan or the history of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    From that brief article, I would say that he shows virtually no understanding of the War in Afghanistan or the history of the country.
    Well, I think that he is not in favor of nation-building in Afghanistan, and I would agree there. Clearly, Obama did not "choose" this war, and I did support going into Afghanistan after 9/11, but we totally fucked that up, and we should be on our way out.
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    Leaving isn't going to fix it. It was a very complex problem waiting to boil over well before 9/11. It's largely due to the fact that no one did anything that we're facing the problems that we are today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    Leaving isn't going to fix it. It was a very complex problem waiting to boil over well before 9/11. It's largely due to the fact that no one did anything that we're facing the problems that we are today.
    Leaving won't fix it, but will staying fix it? History is not on our side. Given the financial state of our country, we're better off not spending money to blow things up. Reducing our deficit would be a much better plan.
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    I heard about this, and I thought that this would be a bigger act of historical slight of hand than putting more blame on Nixon for Vietnam than Kennedy (Of course, LBJ gets the most, and that might be justified, but I still feel like he's taking some heat that JFK should get).

    I don't think Steele is crazy. I think he is wrong and stupid, though.
    I don't want us to be in Afghanistan either, but he said a lot of senseless crap there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    Leaving isn't going to fix it. It was a very complex problem waiting to boil over well before 9/11. It's largely due to the fact that no one did anything that we're facing the problems that we are today.
    Prior to 9/11, the Northern Alliance was fighting the Taliban, and a little bit earlier the Taliban and Northern Alliance were fighting the Soviet Union.

    Tis very unfortunate that an America-obsessed terrorist chose such a country as his base of operations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I heard about this, and I thought that this would be a bigger act of historical slight of hand than putting more blame on Nixon for Vietnam than Kennedy (Of course, LBJ gets the most, and that might be justified, but I still feel like he's taking some heat that JFK should get).
    I don't think he was trying to rewrite history, but I do think he should have mentioned the word "Bush" at least ONCE. Obama could have changed our policy in Afghanistan, but he was adamant that we needed more troops and more resources there. He harped on it during the 2008 campaign all the time.


    I don't think Steele is crazy. I think he is wrong and stupid, though.
    I don't want us to be in Afghanistan either, but he said a lot of senseless crap there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Leaving won't fix it, but will staying fix it? History is not on our side. Given the financial state of our country, we're better of not spending money to blow things up. Reducing our deficit would be a much better plan.
    It would be a better option than leaving. It would just be a repeat of the post-Soviet Union civil war and, even more importantly, other countries would not be leaving (Pakistan for instance). The Taliban and Islamic extremists depend on each other.

    In addition to this, keeping all of the major powers focused on the middle east keeps their focus away from each other. Once we "leave" Afghanistan, Russia, China, and the United States are going to have it out over United States military bases in Central Asia.

    Quote Originally Posted by eagleseven View Post
    Prior to 9/11, the Northern Alliance was fighting the Taliban, and a little bit earlier the Taliban and Northern Alliance were fighting the Soviet Union.

    Tis very unfortunate that an America-obsessed terrorist chose such a country as his base of operations.
    Yes, but there are specific reasons why Afghanistan is ripe with Islamic extremism. It's not nearly as simple as just being our bad luck that Osama bin Laden chose it.
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    Afghanistan always has been, and always will be a bunch of tribes duking it out.

    We should have gone in and gotten OBL and then left instead of dicking around for ten years.

    Or I guess we could just pour more money and men into it. That worked SO well for the Soviets... and the British... and the Mongols... and the Romans... and the Greeks... etc.
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