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    Tis a very common decoration theme, actually.

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    There are a ton of national flags hanging in one of the hallways at my old school, where there wasn't even a foreign language in sight. Apparently people like to use them to decorate because they're colorful and relatively cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    As with Muslims, with English people it is also only a very small minority which would commit nationalistic violence. As with Muslims, the great majority deplore such behaviour. But that minority exists, and I think over here they are more scary than the "Muslim threat".
    Yeah? When's the last time an English nationalist bombed public transportation, say for example? Can you name three recognized English nationalist terror organizations?

    There may be similarities... but they're not equivalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Yeah? When's the last time an English nationalist bombed public transportation, say for example? Can you name three recognized English nationalist terror organizations?

    There may be similarities... but they're not equivalent.
    The British army is bombing Afghansitan right now. In Iraq and Afghansitan Britain has caused over a million deaths combined through its foreign policy.

    And I can name more than three far-right organizations. The BNP alone is much more powerful than any Islamic group in Britain.

    But they pale into comparison next to the murderous state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    The British army is bombing Afghansitan right now. In Iraq and Afghansitan Britain has caused over a million deaths combined through its foreign policy.

    And I can name more than three far-right organizations. The BNP alone is much more powerful than any Islamic group in Britain.

    But they pale into comparison next to the murderous state.
    So you're equating the state government with a "nationalist minority."

    It's really marvelous how fluid the definitions are in your world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    So you're equating the state government with a "nationalist minority."

    It's really marvelous how fluid the definitions are in your world.
    I was talking about two different things, clearly. The Afghan war was not baout an insult to the flag, was it?

    Though it's interesting you seem to think that the majority of the population is in involved in the government and army, and then presume to call me "amazing".
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

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    Progressives think everything is racist-- Frosted Flakes, the sky, Valentine's Day, Mickey Mouse--- THAT'S RACIST!!!

    Look people, when everything is racist, then nothing is.

    And be sure not to confuse racism with prejudice and discrimination. A person who discriminates is making a conscious judgment to treat individuals different based on judgments about a group. A person who is prejudiced has preconceived ideas about a group, but may not necessarily discriminate. There is nothing stopping a prejudiced person from being completely fair in the workplace, just as there is nothing stopping an unprejudiced person from unconsciously discriminating.

    Racism is something different -- the idea that different groups statistically differ when we examine strength, speed, endurance, intelligence, dexterity, et cetera.

    One, there is no a priori reason to believe racism is false. This is a contingent, empirical question about world. Racism is true, though it is impolite to say this, given the progressive eugenics programs socialists tried to enact during the early 1900s.

    I'll up the controversy and defend prejudice as well. No one says, "damn, I hate those Indians because they dominate at sports" or "those blacks, man, they're taking all our jobs because they're so studious and hardworking. It's nauseating." No-- prejudice is a form of inductive shorthand, stuff we all know generally to be true.

    Discrimination is just a matter of identifying differences and acting rationally upon them. For example, if even a small minority of Muslims harbor violent, revolutionary attitudes against liberal societies, then it is wise for liberal societies to take this into account in their immigration policies. That same follows for anti-terrorism policies-- it is lunacy to inspect some old granny of the Pennsylvania Dutch when a group of Muslim dudes behind her are screaming ALLAHU AKBAR before they board a plane.

    The reason why we can't discriminate, we can't be prejudiced, and can't be racist, is because of our capitalism and our democracy. It inculcates 1) metaphysical myths that all human beings are equal, which is a laughable sentiment, and 2) that all choices must be respected, as in I drink Pepsi, I drink Coke, and it is rude to force your opinions on other people. Sure, while the sentiments expressed in these lofty ideals make my heart feel warm and fuzzy, they are profoundly irrational when expecting uniform results from rationalist political programs, or worse, when extending respect and autonomy to those seeking your destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I don't know if they're more nationalistic, but the US is definitely more individualistic. I think that plays a role.
    Just came to see how the thread was developing and ironically it seems to have deteriorated to parochial nationalism. Isn't that the precursor to prejudice??? Or is prejudice the precursor to parochial nationalism???
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsatiableCuriosity View Post
    Just came to see how the thread was developing and ironically it seems to have deteriorated to parochial nationalism. Isn't that the precursor to prejudice??? Or is prejudice the precursor to parochial nationalism???
    Nah, in America, prejudice and nationalism are two separate things. Prejudice comes first and is usually against other 'mericans and therefore can hardly be called nationalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Nah, in America, prejudice and nationalism are two separate things. Prejudice comes first and is usually against other 'mericans and therefore can hardly be called nationalism.
    aahh - but can't you see that the Boston Tea Party seems to be still in full swing
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