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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I only have to look around to see it is put into practice here.

    Yes, the greatest good for the greatest number and social justice are put into practice every day here.
    As I say, justice is usually just a work to describe one's own belief. For some may call capital punishment justice, may they not? And you need not bother to tell me anything about penal codes on your island, it's just ann example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I only have to look around to see it is put into practice here.

    Yes, the greatest good for the greatest number and social justice are put into practice every day here.
    What about those Aboriginals, Vic? Are they included in your Social Justice?

    Australia's racial conflict exposed to wider audience - Times Online

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    Since we're talking about history and the Enlightenment, we had better review your White Australia Policy, which lasted until 1975.

    List of massacres of Indigenous Australians

    I wasn't aware that racial genocide was an Enlightenment principle.

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    I am not surprised that you blatantly ignored my two earlier questions regarding race, as this is still a taboo topic among respectable Australians, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleseven View Post
    I wasn't aware that racial genocide was an Enlightenment principle.
    It basically was! The enlightenment really brought us the concept of racial superior in a scientific (or maybe I should say pseudo-scientific) sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    It basically was! The enlightenment really brought us the concept of racial superior in a scientific (or maybe I should say pseudo-scientific) sense.
    The Enlightenment was anti-black?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arclight View Post
    I have not read this thread, only pondered the OP.
    SO if this has been expressed already, my apologies.

    I think it is actually a good thing if a PM or President is atheist.

    I do not want someone with their finger on the button leaving it to "God"

    I think the best leader would be a humanist and I would hope their responsibility would rest solely on their humanity.
    This.

    And as a female atheist-agnostic who is a fan of living in sin, I'd LOVE to have the opportunity to vote for an avowed, public, female atheist, assuming of course that her views are in line with my own.
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    Yes, yes, and yes.
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    I wouldn't vote for anybody who went out of his way to make a big deal of his personal beliefs. They're all annoying.

    That said, tripleyes but I wouldn't give her a mercy vote just because of her situation or in the case that I identified with her particular minority groups or ideas.
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    My Mum told me that back as a school girl in hamburg she had to write an essay about whether it was okay for a divorced man to be mayor. This was half a century ago and as long as I agree with a candidate´s politics they can have green skin and blue hair, live with 6 spouses of different genders plus a goat and worship the great pink bunny for all I care.
    It´s nice to finally have female heads of state or government , but being a woman is not enough. My country is governed by a woman I did not vote for because I do not agree with her politics.
    Just try and diss her for being a woman though (or make fun of her horrible hair cut and taste of cloths, stuff nobody critizes in male politicians) and I´ll jump to her defense no matter how much I dislike her politics!
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    Not much point in answering the literal question, but it is worth wondering what the entire voting public thinks about this question. How much could a thing like that change in a generation? If the last generation thought it would've changed by now, why hasn't it? If the "younger generation" is always progressive, why does it often take much longer than a generation to progress?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    Not much point in answering the literal question, but it is worth wondering what the entire voting public thinks about this question. How much could a thing like that change in a generation? If the last generation thought it would've changed by now, why hasn't it? If the "younger generation" is always progressive, why does it often take much longer than a generation to progress?
    The power structures in place have a vested interest in keeping the status quo.
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