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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Would you vote for a President who is an avowed, public atheist like the Prime Minister of Australia (Oz), Julia Gillard just to your left?

    Would you vote for a President who is an avowed, public atheist and a woman, just like Julia Gillard?

    And would you vote for a President who is an avowed, public atheist, a women and who is living in sin with her partner, just like Julia Gillard, Prime Minister of Australia?
    I get what you're saying Vic, but I think voting for someone should proceed from a process of understanding the candidates history and potential future. What have they done for the country in the past? Have they proven to be a competent leader? What are the principles she stands by, apart from being an atheist? You know, there are plenty of theists who support legislation that would be coined as "liberal democracy". The question of religious affiliation is somewhat like the question of what shirt they're wearing, or what color their skin is, or whatever. It's meant to distract you away from the real substance of politics, which is what you're doing.

    On the other hand, there are politicians who justify their principles with religious conviction, but there are others who justify those same principles without religious conviction.

    So it's about principle, past, and potential; not whether they're atheist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Words of Ivory View Post
    I could care less about a politician's religious views if he knows how to get the job done.

    I'm a bit of a hippie, so I don't frankly care much for politics as it is, but a politicians religious views should have absolutely nothing to do with their eligibility for office. I figured that was just common sense.

    It is nice to have a women in charge like Mary Robinson and Mary McAleese, the 7th and 8th Presidents of Ireland.

    And Julia Gillard is our first woman Prime Minister, so it is something to celebrate, just as we celebrated the first woman President of Ireland, Mary Robinson.

    Cheers.

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    I remember in 2007, as the presidential campaign was winding up, a poll was done asking Americans if they would vote for a president of varrying demographic categories. Female, Black, Hispanic, Mormon, married three times, and athiest (all but the last category blatantly refered to a candidate that was in the race at the time). The category of person that Americans were least willing to vote for was an athiest. I think that says a lot.

    Now, had they made homosexual or Muslim options, I'm think those may well have been lower than athiest, but they weren't on the poll. Still, with the choices that were there, it was quite an expression of the religiousity of Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    So it's about principle...
    Yes, our Commander-in-Chief is a woman, Quentin Bryce, as is our Head of State. And of course our Sovereign is also a woman.

    But why should we be surprised as women first gained the national vote in Australia and New Zealand - for the first time in human history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    It is nice to have a women in charge like Mary Robinson and Mary McAleese, the 7th and 8th Presidents of Ireland.
    It's a pity, since presidents in Ireland are little more than public faces for an otherwise utterly retarded government run by buffoon males.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Yes, our Commander-in-Chief is a woman, Quentin Bryce, as is our Head of State. And of course our Sovereign is also a woman.

    But why should we be surprised as women first gained the national vote in Australia and New Zealand - for the first time in human history.
    A-huh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Words of Ivory View Post
    It's a pity, since that presidents in Ireland are little more than public faces for an otherwise utterly retarded government run by buffoon males.
    Still, they did herald the breaking of the grip of the Church on Ireland.

    So instead of being priest-ridden, the Irish are now getting rid of the priests to save the children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    ...it was quite an expression of the religiousity of Americans.
    Well, America was founded by religion - a religion that believed and practised the individual interpretation of the Bible.

    While we were founded by the Scottish and English Enlightenment which believed and practised the greatest good for the greatest number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Yep, if I liked her politics and thought she was a rational, competent leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Still, they did herald the breaking of the grip of the Church on Ireland.

    So instead of being priest-ridden, the Irish are now getting rid of the priests to save the children.
    No they're not. Take it from someone who lives here.

    The Irish people, especially Sinead O'Connor (one of the few people I could ever consider a role model) have been extremely outspoken about their disgust of the church, but the government is doing absolutely sweet-fuck-all about the problem.

    Last time I checked, paedophilia and child rape were criminal offences. Most of these priests are not only being let walk free of their crimes, but many are not even being removed from the church.

    You think that's bad? A law was instated recently making it an arrestable offence to publicly insult the church. Mind you, this country's people suffers from such rampant inherent laziness, due to our nanny-state socialist system, that I highly doubt anyone would ever actually act on the law.

    Religion is dying in this country at an alarming rate, and we're better off for the fact (I haven't been a practising Catholic since I was 14), but the church still has an absolutely huge influence.

    I'm sorry if I've burst your bubble about our country, but that's the reality of what things are like here right now.

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