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    Don't Judge Me! Haphazard's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleseven View Post
    I know several who have happily moved to Hong Kong.
    Exactly. All the liberals can move to Canada and conservatives can move to Hong Kong and they can leave the rest of us well enough alone.
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    I think telling a person "if you don't like the way things are done, leave" implies you don't want to be living in a republic or a democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I think telling a person "if you don't like the way things are done, leave" implies you don't want to be living in a republic or a democracy.
    I think blowing up people who don't agree with you implies that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    I think blowing up people who don't agree with you implies that too.
    Two rights make a wrong?

    Anyhow, there's a key difference between telling someone to leave merely because of their spoken opinion, and telling them to leave because they are killing people and destroying property (regardless of their reasoning behind it). And anyhow, I don't believe we should tell them to leave, we should arrest them, or execute them if it really has to get to that (though I certainly hope it doesn't). I don't think people like this will be any more content or well-behaved in Hong Kong, though, so it would be rather mean to the people of Hong Kong to send them there.
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    The political perfectionist isnt ever going to be content with society as it is, they arent even likely to be pleased if they succeed with a revolutionary cataclysm either, maybe there'll be some things which temporarily cheer them up, they perceive the authorities or power as being "theirs" or they perceive the people they revile as having a hard time or being immiserated or killed, whether its the poor and unemployed (libertarians) or rich guys and corporations (commies), but in the end it wont do.

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    Indeed, an extremist asks for, relies on, and believes in things that can't really happen. Thus, they never get what they want, but due to their conviction, when they don't get what they want, they merely say "if we just push even further, it will work".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Indeed, an extremist asks for, relies on, and believes in things that can't really happen. Thus, they never get what they want, but due to their conviction, when they don't get what they want, they merely say "if we just push even further, it will work".
    Yeah, that's my major problem with it, its like Pol Pot's "The revolution didnt fail, it just didnt go far enough", in the right wing its never a case that the market failed as a consequence of deregulation and an inability to self-regulate, its that it wasnt free enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah, that's my major problem with it, its like Pol Pot's "The revolution didnt fail, it just didnt go far enough", in the right wing its never a case that the market failed as a consequence of deregulation and an inability to self-regulate, its that it wasnt free enough.
    In the left wing, every little problem is proof that there is not enough government regulation.

    Were you not just complaining about the regulations regarding foxes?

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    Or, as the leading NYT Keynesian Economist/Jester, Paul Krugman, said:

    Krugman: Obama's Stimulus Doesn't Go Far Enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleseven View Post
    George Soros, the currency speculator who made his fortune short-selling the British Pound on Black Wednesday, has never been an establishment icon. Soros is the 29th-richest person in the world.

    He is one of the very powerful, monied, influential people investing in political parties around the globe, and has personally funded more than his fair share of rebellions.

    Just wanted to point that out


    I know several who have happily moved to Hong Kong.
    Enough said. Hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleseven View Post
    In the left wing, every little problem is proof that there is enough government regulation.

    Were you not just complaining about the regulations regarding foxes?

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    Or, as the leading NYT Keynesian Economist/Jester, Paul Krugman, said:

    Krugman: Obama's Stimulus Doesn't Go Far Enough
    And if your posts are anything to do by on the right wing exactly the contra is true.

    Now tell me where the logical contradiction or inconsistency be, following my argument in the whole of the thread about myopic, perfectionist ideology vs. the real world, in supporting Keynesianism but not supporting statism which prevents self-defence?

    I mean your logic is a little like suggesting that jelly and ice cream are different, therefore they will never be served together.

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