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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixelholic View Post
    Yeah it was the "without representation" part that irked the colonists the most.
    C'mon, it was a violent, bourgeois revolution against lawful authority.

    It was a revolution of the bourgeoise, the owners, against lawful authority. It was certainly not a revolution of the people.

    It was a violent, treacherous mutiny by the owners, not in the interests of the people, but in the interests of property.

    And since then the owners have been in control. They set up a one party State run by two parties of business.

    And being violent men of property, they most fear violent revolution by the people because they know how successful violent revolution can be.

    And in their guilt, they keep whispering out of the corner of their mouths, "Treachery successful is no treachery at all".

    And every time we tell someone they are, "owned", or "pwned", we are paying tribute to these men of property.

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    Oh Victor... please, this is my country. Enough with the ad hominem attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    C'mon, it was a violent, bourgeois revolution against lawful authority.

    It was a revolution of the bourgeoise, the owners, against lawful authority. It was certainly not a revolution of the people.

    It was a violent, treacherous mutiny by the owners, not in the interests of the people, but in the interests of property.

    And since then the owners have been in control. They set up a one party State run by two parties of business.

    And being violent men of property, they most fear violent revolution by the people because they know how successful violent revolution can be.

    And in their guilt, they keep whispering out of the corner of their mouths, "Treachery successful is no treachery at all".

    And every time we tell someone they are, "owned", or "pwned", we are paying tribute to these men of property.
    Now rewrite it in Iambic Pentameter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixelholic View Post
    Now rewrite it in Iambic Pentameter
    Servile conformity is the flag of the owned.

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    I'll be honest with you and say that if you can describe revolutions like that you've not even witnesses minor civil strife, a riot or even a commotion.

    The reality is that when revolutions take place a lot of different people have a dog in the fight for a lot of different, often conflicting reasons. It starts with a breakdown of the existing order or its failure to properly consolidate its power, then there's chaos and one faction eventually consolidates its position and puts down the extremes of temperament, whether they are within its own ranks, in its broad class or creedo or the opposition and their allies.

    Its been the truth since the earliest outbreaks of significant social change and revolt in the reformation, a popular putsch by disparite, diverse, dissenting factions enters into open war with the establishment, eventually Luther abhoring the violence of the peasant war betrayed them and consolidated his power with the principalities contra rome, in France the proprietors did so too, when threatened with terror and chaos they pitched in with Napoleon, in Russia the Bolsheviks and Menscheviks but mainly Lenin performed in the exact same way.

    The US was definitely a popular uprising, the boston tea party was full of the same people who today swell the tea party ranks, the whiskey rebels and indeed the whiskey rebellion is an example of the last breaths of the revolutionary high spirits and dissent when the new power consolidated itself and started to gather taxes.

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    Actually by John Adams's estimate only a third of Americans supported the revolution, and another third were opposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Actually by John Adams's estimate only a third of Americans supported the revolution, and another third were opposed.
    Other estimates put popular support at at least 50%. Many people didn't care all that much, either. The non-propertied classes probably didn't care, unless they though independence might benefit them. Slaves, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Actually by John Adams's estimate only a third of Americans supported the revolution, and another third were opposed.
    Yeah, I reckon most revolutions are a narrow thing too, in reality I think the history of the world has ignored the masses of people who try to just get by or hold opinions but do nothing while the contesting minorities hold sway.

    The history of empire loyalists or states with populations prepared to offer loyalty to Russia, France or others has pretty much been written out and forgotten.

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    Slaves in the south tended to be more pro-British since service in their army would've meant freedom. It was more in the north were freed Blacks supported the Revolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Slaves in the south tended to be more pro-British since service in their army would've meant freedom. It was more in the north were freed Blacks supported the Revolution.
    Makes sense. The Northern colonies/states didn't abolish slavery until during the Revolutionary War or soon after, though. A decent amount of slaves were about above the Mason-Dixon Line.
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