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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Where is the Si?
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    All over the place. Where did you see Ni?
    Ditto.

    England is known for being a traditionalist society.

    They still give a major fucking damn about the goddamn monarchy for Pete's sake!

    Si all the way... America is probably more Ni...

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    Which is also why I believe America might now best be defined as ENTJ, not ESTJ.

    I mean, think about what the neocons were trying to do with Iraq...

    They wanted to try and democratize the whole goddamn Middle East over the next 50 years, in order to combat fundamentalist Islam in the region...

    You don't GET much more Ni than that...

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    I keep reading the thread title thinking it says "What is America's BMI?"

    I bet you it's, like... 30. Obese but not ridiculously so. Not morbidly.

    Overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    I keep reading the thread title thinking it says "What is America's BMI?"

    I bet you it's, like... 30. Obese but not ridiculously so. Not morbidly.

    Overall.
    1/3 of the population is normal weight. 1/3 is overweight, and 1/3 is obese. So yeah, I'd think 30 would be about right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    They wanted to try and democratize the whole goddamn Middle East over the next 50 years, in order to combat fundamentalist Islam in the region...

    You don't GET much more Ni than that...
    Especially using some of the generals as examples. McChrystal, for instance, is clearly INTJ.
    You lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Well I've seen votes for ISFJ and INFJ from people who actually have been to Japan, and combined with my own distanced impressions of their culture it strikes me as more ethical and honorable than rational, despite how "Spockish" they are...in fact, that's what makes me think INFJ over ISFJ.

    Italy seems SFP to me.
    Japan's focus on honor is very personal -- Fi as opposed to Fe. When one is shamed, his own honor is besmirched, not his family's. And again, it is a very Te-oriented culture.

    Italy could be ESTP, but it's very certainly Fe rather than Fi. It has a strong family-oriented culture. I think ENTP, however, as much of its past involves combining various random shit from different cultures. Italian culture in general is an Ne mishmash of very different northern and southern cultures (separated, they're ENFJ and ESTP respectively).

    And yes, the South is basically an ESFJ poster child.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Ditto.

    England is known for being a traditionalist society.

    They still give a major fucking damn about the goddamn monarchy for Pete's sake!

    Si all the way... America is probably more Ni...
    The UK has a strong history of not looking to past Reichs as times of glory, but rather looking to the future. The monarchy for the UK is essentially a decorative fixture. Besides, what's so wrong with monarchy?

    But yeah, Germany is more ISTJ, on second thought.

    Which is also why I believe America might now best be defined as ENTJ, not ESTJ.

    I mean, think about what the neocons were trying to do with Iraq...

    They wanted to try and democratize the whole goddamn Middle East over the next 50 years, in order to combat fundamentalist Islam in the region...

    You don't GET much more Ni than that...
    How is that Ni? All I see there is a drive to export their own "democracy is king" conviction. There is plenty of Si though in the oral fixation Americans have in the former glory of the founding fathers and the Constitution and blah blah blah. There's Ne there as well though, as evidenced by the way said Constitution has been interpreted a billion different ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    The UK has a strong history of not looking to past Reichs as times of glory, but rather looking to the future. The monarchy for the UK is essentially a decorative fixture.
    Thank you for talking sense. Some of the opinions given in this thread regarding England are ridiculous. It's as if (some) American conceptions of England stopped in the early 20th century. The monarchy is completely decorative and anyone who says anything to the contrary is being ignorant. The Queen might have a chat with the Prime Minister but she doesn't shape policy at all. That's why it's a Constitutional Monarchy.

    In terms of type, England is probably ISTP. However, don't forget our massive NFness as well. I mean, look at our music and our literature to see that NFness pervades notions of Englishness; read Rupert Brooke's 'The Soldier' for NF meets ISTP. Yet things such as "fair play", politeness, loyalty and a truculent rejection of anything which tramples of our "values" are mainstays of English and, perhaps, Britishness (although you'd need to talk to the Scots, Welsh & Northern Irish) for that.
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    England is INTJ. The NF-ness is basically tertiary Fi coming out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    How is that Ni?
    How is a 50-yr vision of the future completely divorced from reality not Ni?

    Check out this book, and then tell me that the neocons weren't following an Ni vision.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adasta View Post
    Thank you for talking sense. Some of the opinions given in this thread regarding England are ridiculous. It's as if (some) American conceptions of England stopped in the early 20th century. The monarchy is completely decorative and anyone who says anything to the contrary is being ignorant. The Queen might have a chat with the Prime Minister but she doesn't shape policy at all. That's why it's a Constitutional Monarchy.
    I never said that the monarchy had real power. I said that you guys care about the monarchy, and that you are traditionalists, which you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adasta View Post
    Yet things such as "fair play", politeness, loyalty and a truculent rejection of anything which tramples of our "values" are mainstays of English and, perhaps, Britishness (although you'd need to talk to the Scots, Welsh & Northern Irish) for that.
    How is that not Si?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    England is INTJ. The NF-ness is basically tertiary Fi coming out.
    Do you not realize that ISTJ's also have tertiary Fi?

    Adasta is a noob, and probably has a weak handling of MBTI, as he/she basically laid out the reasons for why England would be an ISTJ, and then called it an ISTP.

    And I wonder, Aleksei, whether you've come to realize that the single greatest consensus on this forum is that you are horrible at typing people...

    US, ENTJ; UK, ISTJ; FTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Adasta is a noob, and probably has a weak handling of MBTI, as he/she basically laid out the reasons for why England would be an ISTJ, and then called it an ISTP.
    Oh no, the MBTI bully boys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adasta View Post
    Oh no, the MBTI bully boys!

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