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    Default The Israel/Palestine Obsession is Racist

    Conflicts since 1950 with over 10,000 Fatalities

    1 40,000,000 Red China, 1949-76 (outright killing, gulag)
    2 10,000,000 Soviet Bloc: (gulag, forced starvation)
    3 4,000,000 Ethiopia, 1962-92: Communists, artificial hunger, genocides
    4 3,800,000 Zaire (Congo-Kinshasa): 1967-68; 1977-78; 1992-95; 1998-present
    5 2,800,000 Korean war, 1950-53
    6 1,900,000 Sudan, 1955-72; 1983-2006 (civil wars, genocides)
    7 1,870,000 Cambodia: Khmer Rouge 1975-79; civil war 1978-91
    8 1,800,000 Vietnam War, 1954-75
    9 1,800,000 Afghanistan: Soviet and internecine killings, Taliban 1980-2001
    10 1,250,000 West Pakistan massacres in East Pakistan (Bangladesh 1971)
    11 1,100,000 Nigeria, 1966-79 (Biafra); 1993-present
    12 1,100,000 Mozambique, 1964-70 (30,000) + after retreat of Portugal 1976-92
    13 1,000,000 Iran-Iraq-War, 1980-88
    14 900,000 Rwanda genocide, 1994
    15 875,000 Algeria: against France 1954-62 (675,000); between Islamists and the government 1991-2006 (200,000)
    16 850,000 Uganda, 1971-79; 1981-85; 1994-present
    17 650,000 Indonesia: Marxists 1965-66 (450,000); East Timor, Papua, Aceh etc, 1969-present (200,000)
    18 580,000 Angola: war against Portugal 1961-72 (80,000); after Portugal's retreat (1972-2002)
    19 500,000 Brazil against its Indians, up to 1999
    20 430,000 Vietnam, after the war ended in 1975 (own people; boat refugees)
    21 400,000 Indochina: against France, 1945-54
    22 400,000 Burundi, 1959-present (Tutsi/Hutu)
    23 400,000 Somalia, 1991-present

    24 400,000 North Korea up to 2006 (own people)
    25 300,000 Kurds in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, 1980s-1990s
    26 300,000 Iraq, 1970-2003 (Saddam against minorities)
    27 240,000 Colombia, 1946-58; 1964-present
    28 200,000 Yugoslavia, Tito regime, 1944-80
    29 200,000 Guatemala, 1960-96
    30 190,000 Laos, 1975-90
    31 175,000 Serbia against Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo, 1991-1999
    32 150,000 Romania, 1949-99 (own people)
    33 150,000 Liberia, 1989-97
    34 140,000 Russia against Chechnya, 1994-present
    35 150,000 Lebanon civil war, 1975-90
    36 140,000 Kuwait War, 1990-91
    37 130,000 Philippines: 1946-54 (10,000); 1972-present (120,000)
    38 130,000 Burma/Myanmar, 1948-present
    39 100,000 North Yemen, 1962-70
    40 100,000 Sierra Leone, 1991-present
    41 100,000 Albania, 1945-91 (own people)
    42 80,000 Iran, 1978-79 (revolution)
    43 75,000 Iraq, 2003-present (domestic)
    44 75,000 El Salvador, 1975-92
    45 70,000 Eritrea against Ethiopia, 1998-2000
    46 68,000 Sri Lanka, 1997-present
    47 60,000 Zimbabwe, 1966-79; 1980-present
    48 60,000 Nicaragua, 1972-91 (Marxists/natives etc,)
    49 51,000 Arab-Israeli conflict 1950-present
    50 50,000 North Vietnam, 1954-75 (own people)

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    Why do so many obsess about the conflict of two tiny peoples, when far greater tragedies are still occurring around the world?

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    I get pissed off at people who treat dogs badly, situations when kids are being abused, or unjust military actions like this. Some people just don't like injustices, no matter where they come from. Don't get carried away with bundling people with good intentions like they are racists. Some people who speak out are Jews themselves, or some are like me who are part of minorities and know what real racism is in our own way. It's not like I'm part of some big White Supremacy group..you can look in the picture thread and find a picture of me.

    The only problem with Israel is that they get away with a lot. There's nothing racist when people call attention to that. Also, the fact it is in the news NOW is the only reason why you might be hearing someone complaining... not because they're "obsessing".

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    Again, it is not just about numbers killed. Most people in most of those countries today would not want to swap places with the Palestinians, who as a whole people are essentially forced into exile and into ghettoes.

    But yes I agree, more attention could be paid to a lot of those conflicts - maybe eagleseven will volunteer to keep us updated...?
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

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    who as a whole people are essentially forced into exile and into ghettoes.
    What is the difference between being essentially forced into exile and into ghettoes, and just being forced into exile and into ghettoes?

    This is what I hate about radicalism-- nothing ever is what it seems to them. They don't know the story, they know the true story. They don't believe in democracy, they believe in real democracy. They don't believe in freedom, they believe in super-secret essential freedom.

    Y'see, Christianity, corporations, and the state have all pulled wool over our eyes, and the gnostic radical can show us the path to The True Truth!

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    It has a lot more to do with the United States supporting Isreal's bad behavior than racism. It also has to do with the fact that Jerusalem is a holy city in every Abrahamic religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    But yes I agree, more attention could be paid to a lot of those conflicts - maybe eagleseven will volunteer to keep us updated...?
    I am an equal-opportunity apathetic!

    I wasn't particularly picking on you in this thread, but rather, the tendency in global culture to hyper-focus on Israel. Arguably the worst offender is the US Media, as they love to embed dozens of journalists in Israel and Gaza/West Bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHBowden View Post
    What is the difference between being essentially forced into exile and into ghettoes, and just being forced into exile and into ghettoes?

    This is what I hate about radicalism-- nothing ever is what it seems to them. They don't know the story, they know the true story. They don't believe in democracy, they believe in real democracy. They don't believe in freedom, they believe in super-secret essential freedom.

    Y'see, Christianity, corporations, and the state have all pulled wool over our eyes, and the gnostic radical can show us the path to The True Truth!
    Ah I forgot - A is A, right? (except when it's minus A)
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

    "Every country in the world owes money. Everyone. So heere's what I dont get: who do they all owe it to, and why don't we just kill the bastard and relax?"

    -Tommy Tiernan, Irish comedian.

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    Ah I forgot - A is A, right?
    Contradictions are necessarily false, if that's what you mean.

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    Well, now-a-days, a reason to be concerned with it is that Israel has nuclear weapons. But they do only have those because of the USA's irrational support toward them in the first place.

    I agree that there are much bigger issues that no one is focusing on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleseven View Post
    I am an equal-opportunity apathetic!

    I wasn't particularly picking on you in this thread, but rather, the tendency in global culture to hyper-focus on Israel. Arguably the worst offender is the US Media, as they love to embed dozens of journalists in Israel and Gaza/West Bank.
    This is because Israel is central to US interests and politically a staunch ally, and it recieves huge amounts of aid. Also Israel is a key justification for the "war on terror", the central point of US foreign policy since 9/11 - as well as being a cause of much of the little "terror" that has been directed against the US.

    to this extent opposing Israel's crimes is not just about Israel but about the whole "war on terror" farce.
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

    "Every country in the world owes money. Everyone. So heere's what I dont get: who do they all owe it to, and why don't we just kill the bastard and relax?"

    -Tommy Tiernan, Irish comedian.

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