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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Well it's quite clear you weren't paying attention, so I'm not bothering with you anymore. I'm just going to laugh at you from now on.
    Sounds fair, that's exactly the way I felt about you about 5 posts ago... "windows rolled down screamin I hey-ey'ey I'm so paid"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Capitalism is antithetical to Christianity, at least as that religion is usually practiced. Witness the repeated attacks on capitalism from the biggest church on Earth, and from the "right" in the U.S. When Pope Eggs Benedict and Mike Huckabee are in agreeance in condemning capitalism, it's probably a safe bet that capitalism is unpopular among those who believe in Jebus.
    What right-wingers ever preach against capitalism? (I don't know much about Huckabee and what he has stood for).
    Most fundamentalists and many evangelicals seem to virtually believe capitalism IS Christianity.

    So it might not have thrived if it weren't for this brand of American Christianity which supported and defended it.
    However, as capitalists gained power, (as well as technology), they saw they no longer needed God for their promotion. So society becomes more secular.
    And then, the conservative Christians blame the left, socialism, non-Christians, liberal Christians, etc. for the nation's godlessness.:rolli:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    So it might not have thrived if it weren't for this brand of American Christianity which supported and defended it.
    However, as capitalists gained power, (as well as technology), they saw they no longer needed God for their promotion. So society becomes more secular.
    And then, the conservative Christians blame the left, socialism, non-Christians, liberal Christians, etc. for the nation's godlessness.:rolli:
    You forgot Clinton. They blame him too.
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    Can capitalism survive without Christianity?

    Hell yes! I say the sooner we throw away these misbegotten 2000 year old ideas written by a bunch of imbeciles who knew less than today's third graders, the better!

    Or, put with much more humor:

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    "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" - Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" - Jesus

    Can capitalists survive in Hell?
    If indeed there is a heaven, I am pretty certain that it most certainly is not any type of place that everyone is a serf to some self-serving creator of everyone who lords over them forever and ever.

    IIRC, the thing that made the devil truly "evil" was that he was out to convince man to think for himself--and therefore rise up against God because they now knew better.

    Seems like the devil's more of a good guy than God if I have my 2000 year-old bullshit understood correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IlyaK1986 View Post
    If indeed there is a heaven, I am pretty certain that it most certainly is not any type of place that everyone is a serf to some self-serving creator of everyone who lords over them forever and ever.

    IIRC, the thing that made the devil truly "evil" was that he was out to convince man to think for himself--and therefore rise up against God because they now knew better.

    Seems like the devil's more of a good guy than God if I have my 2000 year-old bullshit understood correctly.
    Or maybe you've just posted two posts unsurpassed in their misunderstanding of ideas of extremely good pedigree, you've surely got to realise that these ideas have endured for a reason and not simply because people wherent able to get the word out on Youtube before now.

    The Devil wasnt a good guy out to get people to think for themselves, he was usurper who thought he could fool people, it looks like he's done pretty well by all accounts. He hated humanity because he was vane and jealous of the attention God was giving it, so he decided he'd use his superior intellect to get them to fuck their shit up all by themselves. He's like the evil guy in Karate Kid 3 who has Daniel turn on everything he knows, hurting Daniel and everyone else around Daniel in the process.

    Although, hey, that's maybe not the message the cool kids are putting out on youtube, you know, maybe you should go with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    What right-wingers ever preach against capitalism? (I don't know much about Huckabee and what he has stood for).
    Most fundamentalists and many evangelicals seem to virtually believe capitalism IS Christianity.
    So it might not have thrived if it weren't for this brand of American Christianity which supported and defended it.
    However, as capitalists gained power, (as well as technology), they saw they no longer needed God for their promotion. So society becomes more secular.
    And then, the conservative Christians blame the left, socialism, non-Christians, liberal Christians, etc. for the nation's godlessness.:rolli:
    Yeah, that's what I tend to think, especially since that crazy theonomics thing emerged on the back of the theocons, sooner they disappear the better I reckon.

    Although we've sort of been side tracked a bit, what I meant was without any eventual reward in the shape of an afterlife would people try to improve their lives now, even to the point of rethinking the economy and class structure altogether? Maybe got too focused on Christianity itself and the schisms there in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Or maybe you've just posted two posts unsurpassed in their misunderstanding of ideas of extremely good pedigree, you've surely got to realise that these ideas have endured for a reason and not simply because people wherent able to get the word out on Youtube before now.

    The Devil wasnt a good guy out to get people to think for themselves, he was usurper who thought he could fool people, it looks like he's done pretty well by all accounts. He hated humanity because he was vane and jealous of the attention God was giving it, so he decided he'd use his superior intellect to get them to fuck their shit up all by themselves. He's like the evil guy in Karate Kid 3 who has Daniel turn on everything he knows, hurting Daniel and everyone else around Daniel in the process.

    Although, hey, that's maybe not the message the cool kids are putting out on youtube, you know, maybe you should go with that.
    The devil is a simply a tool for god. His current purpose is to lead people into heaven through fear and misunderstanding - so the bible leads me to interpret, anyways. I also agree with his post that the devil had the right idea - his methods were incorrect, of course, and his current state of affairs and ideals could use some reworking, but overthrowing god, yes, I would do it as well if I had the power. Not out of distaste for him mind you, but out of a desire for something better, the best even. God is a useless thing, currently, and apparently. We don't need him if he's going to stay as he is.

    Satan's been keeping the church alive for ages now. He's almost as pathetic as this god.
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    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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