User Tag List

First 678910 Last

Results 71 to 80 of 100

  1. #71
    Senior Member Lex Talionis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    382

    Default

    How did this evolve into a discussion about circumcision?

    Comparing the removal of female sexual organs that induce pleasure to the removal of a male's foreskin due to a religious belief in "cleanliness" (it isn't true) is absurd. One is a minor inconvenience at most, while the other is used to purposely prevent females from receiving sexual pleasure, which could be considered harmful, as it does remove the possibility of that avenue of happiness.
    "Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily."
    —Bonaparte

  2. #72
    pathwise dependent FDG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    7w8
    Socionics
    ENTj
    Posts
    5,908

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    How did this evolve into a discussion about circumcision?

    Comparing the removal of female sexual organs that induce pleasure to the removal of a male's foreskin due to a religious belief in "cleanliness" (it isn't true) is absurd. One is a minor inconvenience at most, while the other is used to purposely prevent females from receiving sexual pleasure, which could be considered harmful, as it does remove the possibility of that avenue of happiness.
    I'm certain that female circumcision is much worse both in terms of pain and "conceptually", however I would hardly call removing a highly innervated body part a "minor inconvenience"
    ENTj 7-3-8 sx/sp

  3. #73
    Senior Member Lex Talionis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    382

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    Wrong. There is no reference to it in the Qur'an whatsoever. Far from being a requirement, female circumcision is not even mentioned.
    I was responding to her claims that women have an "honoured" place in the Islamic world according to the teachings of the Koran, and that the extremists are simply abusing the doctrine.

    It isn't true. The extremists are following what it states in the Koran, and they have the verses and passages to prove it.
    "Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily."
    —Bonaparte

  4. #74
    Senior Member Lex Talionis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    382

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I'm certain that female circumcision is much worse both in terms of pain and "conceptually", however I would hardly call removing a highly innervated body part a "minor inconvenience"
    It may be painful, although considering the fact that it is usually performed on babies or small children, who will hardly grow up to remember the pain, it is hardly agonizing.

    To my knowledge, there are no long-term negative consequences from the procedure in regards to a male's ability to both perform sexual acts and to derive pleasure from them.
    "Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily."
    —Bonaparte

  5. #75
    Senior Member wildcat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    MBTI
    INTP
    Posts
    3,619

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Rebe View Post
    As a temporary solution to little girls being subjected to excruciating pain, long term problems, etc. I really love it when people argue about the cultural preservation of this act. What the *m*therf*cking *uck :steam: It's absolutely barbaric. Uhm, this isn't western imperialism, this is very, very basic rights as a child, as a woman, as a breathing person.

    I understand how it is difficult to eliminate the problem, however, and that it will take time esp. in countries with no resources to push the law into effect. So in the meantime, using a skilled doctor would be a better option than letting your grandmother do it with a piece of glass. But in impoverished areas where it is I'd assume more dominant, it wouldn't change anything.

    It's funny...throughout history, countries have heartlessly colonized weaker countries left and right and don't give a shit for indigenous cultures. Now in the modern age, we don't colonize openly anymore, and we are letting this slip because we don't want to be insensitive and politically incorrect. WTF.
    .. we don't want to be sensitive and politically incorrect.

  6. #76
    lab rat extraordinaire CrystalViolet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    MBTI
    XNFP
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx/sp
    Posts
    2,170

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I can't be absolutely certain, but I would guess that if babies and/or young females were frequently carried to the hospital in conditions similar to those described by the link in the first post, it would be breaking news for local newspapers. Perhaps it's immigration from specific places that carried these cultural "norms", and we casually haven't been getting that.
    You'd be surprised at the amount of "urinary tract" problems and urogenital procedures that occur in young females under five in certain hospitals. Not a huge number, but more then you'd expect. Most health professionals sign confidentiality agreements. So no media involvement. And health professionals can be masters of discretion. Some thing as delicate an issue as this, you'd want them to be - reporting it to DOCS or the police isn't the same as lambasting it over the newspaper.
    Plus it's not a good idea to be explicit about some thing like that.
    Last edited by CrystalViolet; 05-29-2010 at 03:36 AM. Reason: additional thoughts
    Currently submerged under an avalanche of books and paper work. I may come back up for air from time to time.
    Real life awaits and she is a demanding mistress.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  7. #77
    Senior Member Lex Talionis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    382

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FireyPheonix View Post
    You'd be surprised at the amount of "urinary tract" problems and urogenital procedures that occur in young females under five in certain hospitals. Not a huge number, but more then you'd expect. Most health professionals sign confidentiality agreements. So no media involvement. And health professionals can be masters of discretion. Some thing as delicate an issue as this, you'd want them to be - reporting it to DOCS or the police isn't the same as lambasting it over the newspaper.
    Plus it's not a good idea to be explicit about some thing like that.
    This is not proof that these high rates of urinary tract infection are the result of increased genital mutilation.

    However, you also seem to be skirting around the issue here. This is a very localized problem. It is directly a consequence of the cultural practices of certain African groups within Australia. It isn't white Australians who are mutilating the genitalia of their daughters. You make it seem as if this is a pervasive problem ingrained in every fiber of Australian society.
    "Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily."
    —Bonaparte

  8. #78
    What is, is. Arthur Schopenhauer's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    5
    Socionics
    INTj
    Posts
    1,158

    Default

    Hitler had a good thing going.
    INTJ | 5w4 - Sp/Sx/So | 5-4-(9/1) | RLoEI | Melancholic-Choleric | Johari & Nohari

    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



  9. #79
    Senior Member InsatiableCuriosity's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5
    Posts
    699

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    This is not proof that these high rates of urinary tract infection are the result of increased genital mutilation.

    However, you also seem to be skirting around the issue here. This is a very localized problem. It is directly a consequence of the cultural practices of certain African groups within Australia. It isn't white Australians who are mutilating the genitalia of their daughters. You make it seem as if this is a pervasive problem ingrained in every fiber of Australian society.
    Lex it is not limited to African groups. It also happens among migrants from South East Asia and the Middle East. I recall being shocked when told that it was standard practice among the otherwise gentle Muslim worker families from Christmas Island.
    "Study hard what interests you the most in the most undisciplined, irreverent and original manner possible."
    — Richard P. Feynman

    "Never tell a person a thing is impossible. G*d/the Universe may have been waiting all this time for someone ignorant enough of the impossibility to do just that thing."
    author unknown

  10. #80
    Senior Member Lex Talionis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    382

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by InsatiableCuriosity View Post
    Lex it is not limited to African groups. It also happens among migrants from South East Asia and the Middle East. I recall being shocked when told that it was standard practice among the otherwise gentle Muslim worker families from Christmas Island.
    Well, you're correct, although I was only attempting to make a point. It is most prevalent among African groups, but it certainly isn't limited to them, in which regard you are, once again, correct.
    "Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily."
    —Bonaparte

Similar Threads

  1. The central question of religion is not the existence of God?
    By Survive & Stay Free in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 01-25-2012, 04:16 PM
  2. [INFJ] When an INFJ is past the point of caring...
    By Immaculate Cloud in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 07-03-2009, 11:53 AM
  3. Is ideology the bane of intellectual sophistication in the US?
    By coberst in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 06-13-2009, 01:18 PM
  4. E is in the I of the observer.
    By samIam in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 12-04-2007, 12:31 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO