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    Legally preformed is better than illegally preformed for reasons of health, but not preformed at all would be signifigantly better
    This sounds familiar... just sayin'
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    lol... that had crossed my mind... but a different matter (though I still think that the decisions should always be left to the woman in question in both cases!)
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    lol... that had crossed my mind... but a different matter (though I still think that the decisions should always be left to the woman in question in both cases!)
    Hmmm... It's been a while since I read up on this, but if I recall this procedure while often advocated by mothers may be viewed as a result of a paternalistic and misogynist view of female sexuality.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm generally in strong favor of parental rights over children. But, there has to be some sort of line drawn between a parent's power to practice cultural tradition and physical abuse.

    Curious though, what's your view on spanking?
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    Legally preformed is better than illegally preformed for reasons of health, but not preformed at all would be signifigantly better
    Eh, not necessarily. There is another thread going around talking about the recent changes allowing US doctors to perform a "small nick" so immigrant families don't take their daughters back to Africa for the procedure, the study shows that in countries where it is legal the practice continues in following generations, in countries where it is criminalised it doesn't. Legal may have its health benefits in terms of hygiene but it's not necessarily better when you consider the impact that it has in the long run.

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    I'm looking at lives saved in the present... education on the matter and changing the social dynamics might help in the future, but I don't want anyone to die now
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    I'm looking at lives saved in the present... education on the matter and changing the social dynamics might help in the future, but I don't want anyone to die now
    Then educate and help, don't legalise.

    It looks like the AAP has already reversed their position of allowing that small nick that they approved of in April.

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    I'd still rather it occur in a sanitary environment... I've read horror stories

    it's a horrible practice, but still, no more dead people
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    WHAT?

    I live in Australia, currently doing a High Resolves Program with UNIFEM to support women's rights, and try to rid of these things..

    This is seriously sick. If Australia DOES approve, I'll feel like...urrgh.

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    I can see both sides of the argument....but you've got to feel for the girls who end up having to go under many procedures just to fix up a mess. I can't quite see the problem of female circumcision going away just yet, or for many generations yet.
    If I had to choose a side though, I guess it would be to keep it illegal, and start prosecuting health professionals who don't report it. The practise is never going to cease, if health professional don't start acting from their conscience. Suspected sexual abuse has to be reported, this comes under the same category IMHO.
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    Well, I feel that it is needless to say that this proposal is being pushed almost exclusively due to the cultural influence of non-European Australian immigrants, but it clearly is.

    Now, while I find the practice barbaric and contemptible, it will be interesting to see how the Australian leftist front responds to the issue. On the one hand, they are prompted by their ideology to protect the rights of immigrants and respect their cultural practices for the sake of diversity, while on the other, they must surely find this law to be against their humanist stance due to the fact that it could be interpreted as condoning the practice, which is a cruel human rights abuse...or something along those lines.
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