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    Quote Originally Posted by skin View Post
    Listen - this isn't an intellectual pissing match.

    Does America today mirror the historically fascist nations like Italy and Germany? Not at all.

    Does it somehow fit the definition, and is heading slowly but steadily towards fascistic tendencies? Definitely.

    Intellectual laziness in the form of cutting corners to communicate ideas in which there is not the place nor time to go into depth, yeah.

    If you understood my meaning, great. If you want to play semantics, go play somewhere else..
    It depends on how you define it, personally I think fascist has become a word used only in its prejorative sense and hasnt much meaning in an objective or descriptive sense left. Godwin's law pretty much has come to pass.

    In some sort of analytical sense, or better still Orwellian sense, fascism could be alive and well, Orwell made the good point that fascism in any nation does not resemble fascism elsewhere but instead uses all the domestic trappings, so for instance it would have used, at Orwell's time, the lion and the unicorn instead of a swastika (incidentially this is also the reason that Orwell felt the British Blackshirts lead by Moseley wherent a threat, they where too much "foreign").

    Although that's in an analytical or sociological sense, not an ideological one, certainly no avowed fascist thinker or activist would consider that the US is fascist and support it as a fascist state. At which point it becomes a little complicated.

    I dont know, I'm a little pissed off at the moment with how Orwell's excellent reasoning on these topics has gone over, elsewhere someone has been attacking me about "IngSoc" and big brother, not understanding or refusing to understand that "IngSoc" was Orwell's attack on "National Socialism" or "political imposters" which thinkers like Hayek and others, who aggrieved but impressed Orwell, willfully confused as "all socialism, all the same".

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    I hate the legal drinking age.
    I hate how even though we're a 1st world country, we're still not able to educate the young about sex, drugs, alcohol, etc. except tell them not to do it and expect them not to.
    I hate how culture has made being pregnant cool.
    The corrupt government system (but that's everywhere).
    That everyone thinks not paying for healthcare is 'SOCIALIZM zOMG!!!'
    I hate the higher education's 'middle class glue'.
    Overly-strict copyright laws.
    Inequalities in payments and the justice system.
    And most of all, I hate the value system. In most countries, families are most important, not who Tiger Woods is sleeping with

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    Here's a funny thing I've noticed while living in the US ... in movies and on TV, swear words are censored out but violence seldom is.

    So, you're watching a movie and someone is getting stabbed, and the dialogue is censored to something tamer, like fudge or frack for fu** ... It's OK apparently to see horrific violence, the gushing blood and severed heads, and just as long as no one is swearing it's all good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Here's a funny thing I've noticed while living in the US ... in movies and on TV, swear words are censored out but violence seldom is.

    So, you're watching a movie and someone is getting stabbed, and the dialogue is censored to something tamer, like fudge or frack for fu** ... It's OK apparently to see horrific violence, the gushing blood and severed heads, and just as long as no one is swearing it's all good.
    I've never heard it censored to something tamer, only beeped, I have yet to say someone say "oh fudge" to getting stabbed.

    But, that would be hilarious. I want to see this show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    I've never heard it censored to something tamer, only beeped, I have yet to say someone say "oh fudge" to getting stabbed.

    But, that would be hilarious. I want to see this show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Here's a funny thing I've noticed while living in the US ... in movies and on TV, swear words are censored out but violence seldom is.

    So, you're watching a movie and someone is getting stabbed, and the dialogue is censored to something tamer, like fudge or frack for fu** ... It's OK apparently to see horrific violence, the gushing blood and severed heads, and just as long as no one is swearing it's all good.
    Yeah... makes total sense.

    Srsly! Two consenting adults showing they love each other is EVIL AND MUST BE BANNED!

    Of course, seeing people's heads ripped off is fine.

    Riiiiiiiiiight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Here's a funny thing I've noticed while living in the US ... in movies and on TV, swear words are censored out but violence seldom is.

    So, you're watching a movie and someone is getting stabbed, and the dialogue is censored to something tamer, like fudge or frack for fu** ... It's OK apparently to see horrific violence, the gushing blood and severed heads, and just as long as no one is swearing it's all good.
    We've got both in the UK dubbed dialogue in which there's a lot of "mother punkers" and "freaking" but also even minor action sequences cut, so lots of episodes of buffy didnt make much sense and you had to guess a fight had taken place at that moment.

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    There's probably more things about the US I like than I hate to be honest. I dont agree with a lot of the culture and politics but I like it being there as a contrast.

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    The nicest thing is that Oz is not part of the Monroe Doctrine of the USA.

    I refer not of course to Marilyn Monroe but to the Monroe Doctrine granting hemispheric hegemony to the USA.

    Yes, the USA claims and practices exclusive hegemony over the Continents of North and South America.

    But the odd thing is that there are four Continents in a row - North America, South America, Antarctica and Australia. But only North America, South America and half of Antarctica are in the Western Hemisphere. The half of Antarctica which Australia claims, and Australia itself, are in the Eastern Hemisphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Take Five View Post
    I hate that there are Americans who hate America, and want to split the country apart, and especially people who say they don't even want to be American, and dont move somewhere else and cancel the US citizenship

    I hate that there are no term limits on Congress
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