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    You want to see in the world.

    Good advice maybe, provided you dont take it to extremes, what do you think?

    Anyway, I had an idea to create a thread in which everyone could provide their idea to change the world, why it would change the world and why you think its important, if its an ideological thing or just something you think could help in a more general public or politik fashion. What matters is its important to you and you can say why.

    I got the idea after reading a book which had a US liberal bias, I think it was in response to books like Claire Wolfe's 101 things to do until the revolution, I was surprised at some of it, like the recommendation that you learn martial arts, particularly if you're a girl or woman (but not if you're a man) and that you boycott America because of its foreign policies in relation to the state of israel. Then again maybe I dont understand the US left wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Then again maybe I dont understand the US left wing.
    Few can...modern American liberalism is built upon contempt of the American system, hence the cognitive dissonance. Tis why our President continually apologizes for everything under the sun, as though he is ashamed to be President of this country.

    Of course, their ideology has more in common with the democratic socialists of the EU, than the liberalism that Old Europe once knew.

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    To the OP:

    Who says that? Was it Mother Theresa? Anyway, I think it's basically one of those phrases that sounds good, that in the end will not amount to anything. What I take out of it, that is true, is good leadership is by example. If you want to inspire people or get them to want to do something, you have to be an example. "Lead by example" in my opinion is a more concise and less nebulous version of that quote.

    To eagleseven:

    Well said. All the apologizing for this and that really is disgraceful. I get bad vibes from Obama's personality and his deepest devotions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    You want to see in the world.

    Good advice maybe, provided you dont take it to extremes, what do you think?
    I think it is a wonderful concept. While there are cynics, many of the great changes we see and take for granted now were seeded by those who were once considered radicals.

    Examples are:

    The environmental/green movement and our consciousness of our effect on the earth by our actions. This was considered radical hippie stuff in the 60s. Equal rights and the winding back of apartheid and the destruction of the Berlin wall. Few believed either was possible but growing disaffection worldwide eventually saw these come to pass.

    If the thought and intent is important enough and we seed the ideas with the right people we CAN change the world like a stone in a pond making ripples that go on forever.

    Unfortunately this is also true of negative influences in life like sectarianism, cults, greed etc and the instances where people are not prepared to think for themselves and/or allow dastardly deeds to happen because they "don't want to get involved".

    As Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) said:

    "THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

    THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

    THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    THEN THEY CAME for me
    and by that time no one was left to speak up."

    I have been able to achieve positive change in many areas because I have the confidence that I can make a difference.

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    Be The Change You want to see in the world.

    Good advice maybe, provided you dont take it to extremes, what do you think?

    Anyway, I had an idea to create a thread in which everyone could provide their idea to change the world, why it would change the world and why you think its important, if its an ideological thing or just something you think could help in a more general public or politik fashion. What matters is its important to you and you can say why.
    I recently read this article about an American woman who went off to South America and fought for Peru in the rebellion group and was locked up for decades. That's 'be the change you want to see in the world'. The idea is to not wait for someone else to bring about changes you want to see, if you believe so strongly about it, you need to embody it, represent it and present it to the external environment. First, you have to be the person you envision, then you can teach others.

    Uhm. I don't have a specific social or political 'change' that I could embody. I am still quite open-minded about a lot of different ideas and theories. One thing I have always believed in and will always support is freedom of speech. I am very vocal about issues and people who are, in my opinion, wrong and lacking morals/integrity/justice.

    But say I am in a country that sees certain speeches as illegal, I wouldn't be so stupid as to go off in the streets thinking I can win based on principle and sheer goodness of character. I will practice common sense and weigh the pros and cons of when to open my mouth. I will always try to be the individual and the critical voice that tries extremely hard to be non-hypocritical and just. Maybe it sounds compromising, but there's no reason to spend a couple of years in jail in a foreign country for doing something that wouldn't change anything anyway. It's one of those thin lines, I think, depending on the situation.

    Also, I read this other article that denounces the western media for not representing the war in Iraq accurately, even the liberal newspapers. Oh my. I have always suspected so and I can see that it's not an easy situation in a country that is quite adamant about protecting its military's honor and sacrifice, etc.

    So, the ideal is honorable but nothing's ever so simple. I can see a lot of people claiming it is what they do, but put them in a different situation and maybe they won't.

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    There are so many things I'd like to change about the world there isn't enough time to write about it all. The major changes I would like to see are more tolerance, less ignorance, better education, more accountability, less hypocrisy, and more equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Take Five View Post
    To the OP:

    Who says that? Was it Mother Theresa? Anyway, I think it's basically one of those phrases that sounds good, that in the end will not amount to anything. What I take out of it, that is true, is good leadership is by example. If you want to inspire people or get them to want to do something, you have to be an example. "Lead by example" in my opinion is a more concise and less nebulous version of that quote.

    To eagleseven:

    Well said. All the apologizing for this and that really is disgraceful. I get bad vibes from Obama's personality and his deepest devotions.
    I've seen it quoted as a quotation from Ghandi, in his original perspective it would me literally being the change you want to see, so since the guy wanted a world in which everyone lived simply, so that others could simply live, a kind of distributive principle assuming scarcity, he came to the end of his life owning I think nine seperate possessions, including a pocket watch and comb, which I think where gifts.

    See that's what I mean about not taking it to extremes, it worked for him but in the west this could very well wind up with you just becoming a bum. Jung considered that paradox in his book on Psychology and The East.

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