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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    In a perfect world, there would be no scarcity, no borders, and no governments.
    Sounds like a horrible nightmare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Sounds like a horrible nightmare.
    If you take the scarcity element out (assuming we don't end universe with self-replicating gray goo), then what need would there be for any of those things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    In a perfect world, there would be no scarcity, no borders, and no governments. Everyone could has much as he or she wanted. We don't live in that world.
    I guessing a perfect world is one that is able to replenish its resources instantly upon being extracted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    In a perfect world, there would be no scarcity, no borders, and no governments. Everyone could has much as he or she wanted.
    This assumes that no individual seeks power over others. Unless this utopian world provides an unending supply of intelligent slaves to order around, there will still be reason for conflict and government.

    For certain individuals, power is the goal, not the means.

    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    If you take the scarcity element out (assuming we don't end universe with self-replicating gray goo), then what need would there be for any of those things?
    You could argue that humans psychologically need fences, as we evolved in a world of scarcity.

    Eliminating scarcity would radically change our environment, a change the human genome is ill-equipped to manage.

    Of course, your could also argue that industrialization and the internet have had similar disorienting effects, which may be why Americans are addicted to anti-depressants. But that is another thread!

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    i'll bet apple doesnt have an app for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleseven View Post
    This assumes that no individual seeks power over others. Unless this utopian world provides an unending supply of intelligent slaves to order around, there will still be reason for conflict and government.

    For certain individuals, power is the goal, not the means.
    True, but a perfect world would also mean that no one would or could be dominated against his or her will.


    You could argue that humans psychologically need fences, as we evolved in a world of scarcity.

    Eliminating scarcity would radically change our environment, a change the human genome is ill-equipped to manage.

    Of course, your could also argue that industrialization and the internet have had similar disorienting effects, which may be why Americans are addicted to anti-depressants. But that is another thread!
    Maybe. I don't think the possibility of bad things happening is nearly high enough not to wish for the end of poverty, hunger, and (possibly) war, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    So, are you saying that there are way MORE libertarians in the Midwest and South than on the East or West Coasts? I don't see any evidence to support that. If I were to guess at which is the most libertarian part of the country, I would guess Silicon Valley, just because there is a correlation between libertarianism and high levels of education (especially in technological fields) and high income. I've spent relatively little time in Northern California, though.
    That's not what I was saying, but it seems you want to misunderstand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    That's not what I was saying, but it seems you want to misunderstand.
    Try this: explain in extremely plain language what you are saying, because it's been pretty vague so far. The only thing 100% clear is that you don't think I have a good grasp of the beliefs of libertarians and Tea Partiers throughout the nation. I think that I do, and I explained why. Can you make an attempt here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Try this: explain in extremely plain language what you are saying, because it's been pretty vague so far. The only thing 100% clear is that you don't think I have a good grasp of the beliefs of libertarians and Tea Partiers throughout the nation. I think that I do, and I explained why. Can you make an attempt here?
    I'm certain you'll never understand because you don't want to understand. This behavior is a pattern. You "win" debates, not because of quality, but because you exhaust your opponents. No one likes to be forced to repeat the same points over and over. It's an effective strategy if all you care about is "winning".

    I'm cutting my losses early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I'm certain you'll never understand because you don't want to understand. This behavior is a pattern. You "win" debates, not because of quality, but because you exhaust your opponents. No one likes to be forced to repeat the same points over and over. It's an effective strategy if all you care about is "winning".

    I'm cutting my losses early.
    So, no, you can't do that for me. Then why even try to contradict me in the first place?
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