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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Do you think the child was shot because some cop wanted to prove a point? Do you think it could have been a legitimate and tragic accident?

    Whether it was the fault of the 46 year old woman or the cop - I think the consensus was that it was an accident.
    Accident as in the cop discharged the gun accidentally, or that he hit the girl accidentally when he fired into the house unprovoked and on purpose?

    If the latter is true, the cop is done. He's already on administrative leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Accident as in the cop discharged the gun accidentally, or that he hit the girl accidentally when he fired into the house unprovoked and on purpose?

    If the latter is true, the cop is done. He's already on administrative leave.
    We don't know... Cop was being wrestled from reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Do you think the child was shot because some cop wanted to prove a point? Do you think it could have been a legitimate and tragic accident?

    Whether it was the fault of the 46 year old woman or the cop - I think the consensus was that it was an accident.

    And yes, someone should definitely be held accountable, but I don't see how that was an abuse of power. The DA asked for the warrant, and the courts gave it to them. It wasn't like the cops were in a conspiracy to kill a little girl.
    I would consider throwing a flash grenade into a home where children were likely to be present and no hostage situation had been reported unnecessary force. The unnecessary force and possible carelessness resulted in what was likely a preventable accident. Using unnecessary force, IMO would constitute an abuse of power.
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    The little girl was possibly hit and burned by the grenade that was fired into the house before she was shot. A murder suspect is not a murderer under the law. This type of stuff is prevented all the time, in other neighborhoods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    We don't know... Cop was being wrestled from reports.
    From the cop reports. The video A&E shot reportedly shows the cop firing from the porch with no one around him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I would consider throwing a flash grenade into a home where children were likely to be present and no hostage situation had been reported unnecessary force. The unnecessary force and possible carelessness resulted in what was likely a preventable accident. Using unnecessary force, IMO would constitute an abuse of power.
    Precisely. And that abuse of power would be compounded if the footage from the A&E show supports the assertion that the police report of the incident is false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I would consider throwing a flash grenade into a home where children were likely to be present and no hostage situation had been reported unnecessary force. The unnecessary force and possible carelessness resulted in what was likely a preventable accident. Using unnecessary force, IMO would constitute an abuse of power.
    That's right - you would consider it to be that way. And that's the point. We have no idea what kind of situation they were prepping for. They may have had reason to believe that this alleged murderer was part of a gang or some sort of criminal organization and this was their hideout. We have no idea what the intel was on this. So our considerations don't matter because we don't have all the facts.

    Having a child present doesn't mean that the people aren't dangerous. In fact, it means that they are even more dangerous for exposing children to that lifestyle. And if they knew of, and were harboring, the other child killer then they have absolutely no regard for the safety of any child, not just their own.

    Or this could have been one trigger happy cop that deserves the worst that the law can throw at him. But until the facts are presented, we really don't know anything. So I can't be outraged just yet.

    But I'm still sad about that little girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    That's right - you would consider it to be that way. And that's the point. We have no idea what kind of situation they were prepping for. They may have had reason to believe that this alleged murderer was part of a gang or some sort of criminal organization and this was their hideout. We have no idea what the intel was on this. So our considerations don't matter because we don't have all the facts.
    And my point is, whatever their intel was, it was wrong. They suck at their jobs. No, they probably didn't deliberately try to kill the child, but they put her in danger simply due to their presence.

    Having a child present doesn't mean that the people aren't dangerous. In fact, it means that they are even more dangerous for exposing children to that lifestyle. And if they knew of, and were harboring, the other child killer then they have absolutely no regard for the safety of any child, not just their own.
    Based on what I read, the suspect wasn't even in the apartment with child. How can someone protect their children if cops can barge into your home just because a murder suspect lives nearby? That sounds like a violation of the 4th amendment to me, regardless of whether some idiot judge gave them a warrant. Judges are not infallible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    It's a shitty job that isn't black and white and it's almost like you have to walk on pins and needles due to the nature of the work and the fact that you're dealing with delicate situations on a daily basis. Mistakes will be made continuously, no matter how good your planning and intentions are. It's counter-productive if all the icky details are disseminated to the public though, no? Unfortunately you can't always trust man, but I think ideally it should be left up to internal to deal with the dirt that's scraped up... A necessary evil, if you will. Riots break out over things like this, despite it being a situation that went terribly wrong and possibly/likely with no ill intent involved. People lose trust in an organization that's there to keep peace and protect because of mistakes made. I think it's better to avoid that, if at all possible.
    The militarization of police raids is a HUGE problem, and it has been getting worse for the past 30 years.
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    ^That is something I'd like to learn more about.

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