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    Supreme Court: Sex offenders can be held indefinitely - CNN.com

    It's not often that I agree with Scalia, but I do in this case. He held a dissenting opinion.
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    Oh boy. I agree with Scalia and Thomas.
    That doesn't happen too often.

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    It's not often that I agree with Scalia, but I do in this case. He held a dissenting opinion.
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    I don't like it, but it's difficult to know what to do with people that are dangerous to the most vulnerable members of society and virtually impossible to reform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I don't like it, but it's difficult to know what to do with people that are dangerous to the most vulnerable members of society and virtually impossible to reform.
    Cant knock room, board and guard for the rest of your days at someone elses expense. Sex offenders cant be reformed, the ones which can be are out of there, the prisons dont want to keep a single man or woman longer than they have to at the additional expense and trouble it involves.

    Most of these guys, I presume its guys, in the UK its predominantly males who offend and reoffend, would probably be lynched if everyone knew their crimes and they'd deserve it too. So indefinite detention is doing them a favour.

    I'm serious, just one of these sort of people is an incident comit their behaviour can probably be used to predict the social and psychological illness of communities for at least three generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I don't like it, but it's difficult to know what to do with people that are dangerous to the most vulnerable members of society and virtually impossible to reform.
    1. Release non-violent drug offenders.

    2. Increase the sentences for sex offenses to life.

    3. Use those empty cells to house sex offenders for life.

    This ruling is not going to solve anything.
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    I don't understand. If prison is a rehab system, it makes sense to keep those that haven't been rehabbed until they are. But I'm a bit of a psycho in that I think if you commit certain crimes you sort of forfeit most of your human rights.



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    Holding any American citizen prisoner beyond the period in which they were originally sentenced under the law as it then existed, for no reason other than likelihood of recidivism, seems blatantly unconstitutional to me. I'm glad that Scalia and Thomas, at least, were willing to give an unpopular but principled decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I don't understand. If prison is a rehab system, it makes sense to keep those that haven't been rehabbed until they are. But I'm a bit of a psycho in that I think if you commit certain crimes you sort of forfeit most of your human rights.
    When did prison become a rehab system? I thought it was part of the justice system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I don't understand. If prison is a rehab system, it makes sense to keep those that haven't been rehabbed until they are. But I'm a bit of a psycho in that I think if you commit certain crimes you sort of forfeit most of your human rights.
    I would have to second that. I've always found it weird that someone can get 25 years for a drug offense or some sort of financial fraud, tax evasion etc but you can rape a bunch of little children or adults for that matter and get out in 3 to 5 years to repeat the process? I guess the moral of the story seems to be don't mess with our money but short of that you can do whatever else you want...

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    I agree with Thomas and Scalia.
    It's not in the article, but I would like to know the process, or criteria, that is used to determine if an offender will be dangerous in the future.

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